York County Bowmen, Marked 3D on May 15th!!

[Grey Eagle]

Just a reminder that YCB is holding a marked yardage 3D tournament on Sunday May 15th.

It's a back to basics shoot. In addition to making it a known distance tournament, we are also instituting the following rules for the tournament:

Scoring - 10, 8, 5 only
No Binoculars

The tournament is also the first in a three leg tournament series, held between Saugeen Shafts, Durham Archers, and YCB.

Should be a fun day, we are really hoping those who normally would not attend a competitive tournament, will feel comfortable in doing so under these conditions. So if you have never attended a tournament, or have not done so for awhile.... come on out, it promises to be a relaxing and fun day.

Everyone is welcome and encouraged to attend :D

Dennis

[Ont. BowTech]

Dennis

I would like to go but already committed to another shoot in Astorville at wilderness bow hunters. There is a shoot at Barrie gun club also.

We are also having a marked yardage at our June 26th shoot should level the playing field a little.


Grant

[Stash]

Sorry, FITA at Caledon... last chance to qualify for the World Championships.


I figure if I knock off a pair of low 1400s thay'll consider me even though I don't have a "major event" score. :rolleyes:

[pintojk]

sounds like a busy weekend across Ontario ..... :teeth:

GreyDude, will do my darndest to be there ..... :teeth:

OntBowDude ..... come on what ya scered of ....... :wink:

Stash .... I'll buy ya lunch if ya do it ...... :thumbs_up

[Grey Eagle]

I think there are 5 shoots on in the central zone only. Something has to be done to alleviate clubs in the same zone splitting up the pie so much on the same dates.

Grant, I'm going to try to make your June shoot.

Stash, couple low 1400's and I think you'll be good to go :rolleyes:

pinto, bring along the Bromley gang :)

Thanks guys

[Big F]

I'll be there...sounds like a bunch of the Durham guys are going to come out and have some fun.

Shot in the clubhouse on tuesday, everything looks great!

See you on the 15th.

Andrew

[Grey Eagle]

I'll be there...sounds like a bunch of the Durham guys are going to come out and have some fun.

Shot in the clubhouse on tuesday, everything looks great!

See you on the 15th.

Andrew

Great Andrew :) Glad you like the clubhouse..... now we just have to find some decent furniture :D

Dennis

[3--d]

sorry.......i dont get it.
im going to Picton on the 15th.....and it is also a marked course too.
to me, its only a target shoot and not a 3-D shoot. Seems like the trend now.
I can see it in September for the hunters but early in the season?

:(

[Grey Eagle]

sorry.......i dont get it.
im going to Picton on the 15th.....and it is also a marked course too.
to me, its only a target shoot and not a 3-D shoot. Seems like the trend now.
I can see it in September for the hunters but early in the season?

:(

I'll respond to your comments (on both threads) here.

For those that wish to not know the yardage prior to shooting the target, it will be a simple matter of not looking at the yardage sheet provided..... that simple.

The primary reason we are doing this as a marked yardage event is to hopefully encourage some attendees whom might not otherwise attend. A secondary reason is to hopefully close the gap between the accomplished 3D archer, and those new (or infrequent) to the sport.

I doubt the results will be different from a marked 3D shoot, those at the top will still be there(I doubt the scores will be any different as well). But our hope is that it will not be such a long way down to the bottom.

Your comment about it being a trend now....... obviously there is a perceived need for this, otherwise clubs would not be doing it.

Have fun in Picton, let us know what you think about your experience after the tournament.

Dennis

[Ont. BowTech]

:angry:

I'll show you scared, If the pinto is going well I guess. :rolleyes:

Maybe I might have my new arrows by then right John :beer:

And I want lunch also hey and bring Shannon out as well she can buy :D

Hey Dennis I would love to have you shoot here we always welcome new people. :shade:

Grant


sounds like a busy weekend across Ontario ..... :teeth:

GreyDude, will do my darndest to be there ..... :teeth:

OntBowDude ..... come on what ya scered of ....... :wink:

Stash .... I'll buy ya lunch if ya do it ...... :thumbs_up

[3--d]

Yes Grey eagle...........i will let you know, first time down here in a long time for a marked course.
:beer:

[pintojk]

won't be able to make it ...
My mothers comin' for a visit so .....
See ya'll next time
JK

[Grey Eagle]

Well, from the early reports in, it appears the tournament was positive.

Despite the fact that there were 5 tournaments in the Central Zone alone this weekend (we need to do something about that), and the weather was not great, we still had a reasonably strong turnout. 87 shooters, which is higher than the attendance for our May shoot for the past two years.

As noted, the yardage was provided. And, in lieu of binoculars, we provided coloured photos of the target (clearly showing scoring rings) at each stake.

From what I have heard (I was unable to attend) the shooters had a good time. Some seemed surprised, that inspite of being given the yardage, and shown where the scoring rings were, that they were unable to shoot better than they did :confused: As suspected, the high scores did not change much. But also, as hoped, the marked yardage proved to be a hit with those that do not shoot a great deal of 3D....... in particular some of the women and kids.

Looks like we'll be doing this again :D

I'd love to hear from some of those that did attend, good bad or indifferent.

Dennis

[Rampant]

For those that wish to not know the yardage prior to shooting the target, it will be a simple matter of not looking at the yardage sheet provided..... that simple.


Dennis

Hi Dennis
I planned on not looking at the yardage, but somone in the group always had to say it as they read it; or they got to the stake and had to ask what it was again... ( you couldn't see the sheet from the stakes), so... not so simple.

I thought the shoot was really good for the most part. The course was great, but the posted pictures of the targets were line drawings, not photos, and they weren't very accurate. Also, every target was facing in the opposite direction to the picture, which I'm sure was done on purpose, but why?
We were not allowed bino's on the course, and told this was to keep things fun and moving along. Well, I can guarantee you that our group spent more time trying to figure out where the lines were than we would have spent looking through bino's. Knowing the yardage definitely took a lot of the stress out of the event and made it more fun, but not knowing where to aim took that fun right back out of it. I promise you that there's nothing more frustrating than making a good shot, hitting right where you were aiming, then finding out you shot a 5!!! It happened at least once to everyone in our group. On one target we had a nice group of 4 arrows that we were pretty confident was going to be solidly in the 10, if not in the 12, and we had all shot 5's!!! That's not fun. In fact, a very popular, well known, and always laid-back shooter that I've never even heard swear before was absolutely LIVID! He swore he'd never go to another marked yardage shoot ever again, and he used some mighty colourful language to emphasize his point.
However, I'm getting off on a bit of a tangent here... it was a good, fun shoot; but, allowing bino's isn't going to infringe on anyone else's fun factor, and it isn't going to slow things down. It's estimating yardage that slows things down. (I know what I'm talking about here!)
Yes, I'll go to another one.... but I will whine if I can't use my bino's, as will a bunch of other people.

[Grey Eagle]

Rampant, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts, I do appreciate them :)

Since my last post, I've had an opportunity to speak with a few other attendee's. There was mention of the fact that the pictures were not quite up to snuff. Initially we had intended on taking digital photos of the animals, having those photos blown up, laminated and posted at the stakes. Time ran short for doing this, and in the end we relied on the pictures provided to us by Rhinehart. We'll need to do better next time. Lesson learned.

Glad to hear you did still enjoy yourself though. Despite some difficulties, it appears the format worked. We've gotten lots of postive comments on how less stressful the shoot was, knowing the yardage. And as I mentioned earlier, it brought out some folks who usually don't attend 3D's.

Dennis

[Rampant]

Rampant, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts, I do appreciate them :)

Since my last post, I've had an opportunity to speak with a few other attendee's. There was mention of the fact that the pictures were not quite up to snuff. Initially we had intended on taking digital photos of the animals, having those photos blown up, laminated and posted at the stakes. Time ran short for doing this, and in the end we relied on the pictures provided to us by Rhinehart. We'll need to do better next time. Lesson learned.

Dennis
I'm sure the pics you intended to provide would have been better, but it seems like an awful lot of trouble... why not just allow people that wish to use bino's to do so? Nobody that I spoke to at the shoot, whether shooter or organizer, could tell me how using bino's would reduce someone else's amount of fun.

[Grey Eagle]

I'm sure the pics you intended to provide would have been better, but it seems like an awful lot of trouble... why not just allow people that wish to use bino's to do so? Nobody that I spoke to at the shoot, whether shooter or organizer, could tell me how using bino's would reduce someone else's amount of fun.

I was at the club last nite, and got a much better picture of this issue. It appears there were 3 pictures that were not totally representative of the animal, and one animal was placed on the opposite side of what the picture showed. Apparently the rings were in a different location, from side to side. We'll rectify this for the next shoot, but it should be noted that everyone shot the same targets, under the same conditions.

The issue with no bino's...... it was something the club was trying out. Time was a consideration, but also we were intending on keeping things simple. This is especially true for some of the newer participants to the sport.

We are still gauging feedback, but at this point, there is more positive than negative feedback on the no bino's. I did learn which group you were in on the weekend, and I'll make a point of speaking with the members of that group, as I see you, to discuss the event.

Once again, thanks for your time.

Dennis :)

[Rampant]

I was at the club last nite, and got a much better picture of this issue. It appears there were 3 pictures that were not totally representative of the animal, and one animal was placed on the opposite side of what the picture showed. Apparently the rings were in a different location, from side to side. We'll rectify this for the next shoot, but it should be noted that everyone shot the same targets, under the same conditions.


Hi Dennis
I really don't want to appear to be harping on this, but I just want to be clear regarding the pictures... you say, "one animal was placed on the opposite side of what the picture showed." If by this you mean that when shooting at the left side of a target, we also had a picture of the left side of the target, and vice versa, except for one target; that's just not true. I honestly don't recall a single instance of this. Our group was joking about it all day long that the club deliberately had us shooting at one side of the target, with a picture of the opposite side for reference.
Also, I realize that everyone shot the same targets under the same conditions... that's obvious, and I have no issue whatsoever with my score compared to anyone else's. My issue (which I'm sure any archer can identify with) is this; you get a great feeling of satisfaction from executing a shot well and having your arrow hit right where you intended. To subsequently find out that you just shot a 5 or an 8 destroys that feeling of satisfaction, and replaces it with frustration. That's not fun.
Talk to you soon :)

[Grey Eagle]

Rampant,

Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the shoot in person. I had a family commitment that took precedent. This was YCB's first attempt at a shoot of this nature, so naturally I am looking to get as much feedback as possible. Had I been in attendance, I would have first hand knowledge from participation and discussion with other archers. As it is I have to rely on third hand information to get a sense of how things went. That is why I posted requesting reviews, and I appreciate your input. At this point I have spoken with more than a dozen people who participated, in fairness, a large percentage who are YCB members. The information that I have posted is based on those discussions. I don't dispute your comments, however there seems to be varying opinions on this issue. To close this issue.........as I said previously, in an effort to improve, we'll rectify the situation at the next marked shoot. Either with more concise and clear photos, or by allowing bino's to be used.

I'm glad to hear your group got some chuckles out of the day :D , fun was the intent.

BTW, good post :thumbs_up in the General Discussion forum on Vanetec's. Thanks for taking the time to post your results. I'm looking forward to trying mine out soon.

Dennis :smile:

[Rampant]

thanks Dennis
I know you'll be impressed with the Vanetecs
See you soon

[3--d]

Well grey eagle i said i would let you know how the marked course went in Picton.

OUCH.........is a good word i would think.

The first 11 targets were 17 to 31 yards. 3 of us shot BHUL and 1 was a x-bow shooter. We are pretty good shots so it got real hard on arrows.
On the next targets which were longer the marked yardage was wrong, so most of the time we judged it our self .
The turn out wasnt that strong, about 32 shooters and no new faces.
Our scores were normal....190s per round.

Conclusion...........didnt matter either way

:beer:

[Grey Eagle]

Our scores were normal....190s per round.

Conclusion...........didnt matter either way

:beer:

Thanks for reporting back :)

[Sean McKenty]

We just finished our marked 3-D and can say everyone had a good time and it also seems that it didn't make any real difference to unmarked for most, only the high end shooters the scores showed up. We do allow bino's as we have found that they take even longer without them. We through in a couple of optional novelty shots along the way( 60 yrd coyote etc.) to break things up.

We did the picture thing and found if it wasn't exactly as the stake setting archers complained, so we abandoned it after one shoot.