what is so special about ACCs, X10s, Navigators, etc..

[menaztricks]

I've never seen these arrows and was curious why the big price tag? I used to think they were lighter, but looking at eastons charts, they seem heavier than some carbons. Help a newb understand. :darkbeer:

[xxxxshooter]

For longer distances, you need (some) weight combined with a small diameter to be able to shoot straight in windy conditions. The price tag follows the more complex alu/carbon construction used to achieve just that.

[spatan]

When purchasing arrows or sharfts it usually boils down to straightness, wieght, durabity and unfortunatly brand name. The quality of components will also impact the price i.e stainless steel vs aluminuim inserts for instance.

stay stronge, shoot straight.

Spatan:cocktail:

[Dave T]

The combined technology (carbon over aluminum) adds to the cost of construction. Also, although most think of straightness and consistant weight as key factors in arrow choice, uniformnity of spine is as important if not more so. The Easton shafts you are talking about (X10, ACE, Navigator & ACC) have been shown to be more uniform in spine, arrow to arrow, than most others. That kind of uniformity/consistancy does not come free.

Dave

[bsu_beginner]

x10's and ace's rise above the lot in terms of cost for a few reasons.
1) Uhmmm... everyone who's shooting well is shooting with them?
2) versatility, you can shoot them indoors and outdoors.
3) barrelshaped.
4) polished carbon.

[c3hammer]

The only reason for them is spine consistancy vs. diameter. The object is to get 12 arrows to all fly in the exact same spot in all conditions. Simply put there is nothing else that even comes close.

The fact that they are made in relatively small numbers vs. other all carbon hunting shafts prohibits economies of scale required to keep the price down.

Cheers,
Pete

[pbs]

As c3hammer said, one of the main factors for the price tag is consistency, the only other arrows I have found that are as consistent as Easton’s range of target arrows would be Carbon Tech’s “McKinney II”.

[palmer]

The fact that they are made in relatively small numbers vs. other all carbon hunting shafts prohibits economies of scale required to keep the price down.


Sucks doesn't it? Price would come down if more people would buy, and more people would buy if the price would come down. I think it's Easton's move!

[massman]

They work. They were developed to improve accuracy at distances in all conditions, including wind. For this THEY WORK.

They most likely would not be a very good hunting arrow. They are good for what they were designed to be used for. Olympic distances.

Regards,

[calbowdude]

IIRC part of the quality control process is to have each shaft checked for correct spine matching within a dozen, so somebody gets paid to bend shafts all day (I'm dramatically oversimplifying). There's probably a bunch of other checks that happen as well: weight matching for the different weight codes, fit and finish, etc etc.

Does anyone know whether the carbon is hand-layed over the tube? If so, this would add significantly to the expense.

[menaztricks]

So are these arrows primarily for outdoor? I wanted to get a set of arrows that I would not need to change or upgrade for a long time but that would be good for both indoor and outdoor. I'm shooting 20yards indoor right now, but now that the heat in the morning isnt burning hot, I want to move up to 30 and 40. I had decided on gt ultralights, but if the ACC are all I would ever need, I wouldnt mind spending the extra $$.

[jmvargas]

although ace's and x10s are primarily for outdoor use in olympic archery many top archers are now also using them for indoor as well...if you can get hold of the book THE HERETIC ARCHER by vittorio and michele frangilli there is a whole chapter on aluminum vs carbon arrows....very interesting and educational....

[hkim823]

So are these arrows primarily for outdoor? I wanted to get a set of arrows that I would not need to change or upgrade for a long time but that would be good for both indoor and outdoor. I'm shooting 20yards indoor right now, but now that the heat in the morning isnt burning hot, I want to move up to 30 and 40. I had decided on gt ultralights, but if the ACC are all I would ever need, I wouldnt mind spending the extra $$.

Under 50 meters, I'm not sure your going to see a big difference, it's those 70 and 90 meter shots where you could start to see the differences, especially with an A/C/E or X10. Easton arrows do cost more in general but they're also of higher quality and better tolerances than many other companies with their arrows. There's nothing wrong with the GoldTips, but there's a reason why world records have been set with Easton arrows.

[Dado]

So are these arrows primarily for outdoor? I wanted to get a set of arrows that I would not need to change or upgrade for a long time but that would be good for both indoor and outdoor. I'm shooting 20yards indoor right now, but now that the heat in the morning isnt burning hot, I want to move up to 30 and 40. I had decided on gt ultralights, but if the ACC are all I would ever need, I wouldnt mind spending the extra $$.
I'd always choose large diameter shafts for indoor. Just ask yourself how many times have you had the shaft SO close to touching the (X) line? With large diameter ones, the score would've been 5% better. So to conclude - yes ACCs would be good arrows to start with and practice. If you haven't moved away from the 20yd line yet, chances are you won't see any difference in shooting X10s vs ACCs (not in a longer period of time), not even when you start practicing outdoors.
However, if you're on a budget, have in mind that the indoor season is at your door-step and you'd be better off with large diameters shafts (like X7s or FatBoys), and worry about the skinny shafts when the spring comes...