ok thanks that helps alot. Im gonna drive me and my son out there this weekend and have a talk with him! thanks buddie, if it works out and you come back down mybe we can knock a few out together! theres not alot of people these days that would pass on that kinda info and I want you to know i sure appreciate it alot. any time you want to hunt ohio man I have a few farms back home we can do it! let me know man. thanks again!!