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    It took you that long?

    It took you that long?
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    You have a point. But after a dozen years, the...

    You have a point. But after a dozen years, the data is not (yet?) in favor of NTS. Maybe in another dozen. But if we don't field a full women's team for the second time in this head coach's...
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    Naturally. ;) I think the majority of folks...

    Naturally. ;)

    I think the majority of folks who post here, with a few easily identified exceptions, are. The sheeple are told to avoid this place, and they do what they are told. LOL. Free...
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    That may be the best argument I've heard yet.

    That may be the best argument I've heard yet.
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    Because that's what apologists do.

    Because that's what apologists do.
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    A lot of people want structure in their lives. ...

    A lot of people want structure in their lives. They are okay with being told one way is the "best" way, etc. It takes a lot of the work and anxiety out of it for them, and for those folks, what...
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    I just wish he and others would stop the...

    I just wish he and others would stop the comparisons aimed at justifying their method. The data isn't there. Not even close. So just focus on achieving the results you want, and over time, the...
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    Why do we keep searching for "THE" best system? ...

    Why do we keep searching for "THE" best system? Haven't we figured out by now the evidence is pretty clear that there is no ONE "best" system?

    Just look at the list of men's Oly. gold medalists...
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    Do a search for TP, esp. on the compound forums,...

    Do a search for TP, esp. on the compound forums, and you can lose a lot of sleep reading about it.

    It's a subconscious, uncontrollable response to anxiety that can cripple an archer. I've seen...
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    Would that be John A. Logan? Great little...

    Would that be John A. Logan? Great little school. I miss having that place down the road.



    Please do. This is as important for the future of the sport in the US as anything else we can do. ...
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    I can agree with this. But the same could be...

    I can agree with this. But the same could be said for focusing on certain components of any well established system. And "manage" is the right way to put it. You don't cure it. You just manage it.
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    Yes. Several. The idea that NTS will prevent...

    Yes. Several.

    The idea that NTS will prevent TP is preposterous. But just like politicians and the modern media, if you control the information you can say anything you want and 90% of the...
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    Chris is pretty close. The necessities are a...

    Chris is pretty close.

    The necessities are a basic understanding of the fundamentals, a decent amount of athletic talent, a crazy work ethic, and passion for the sport. That's all.

    Very few...
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    My oh my how different the perspective is in just...

    My oh my how different the perspective is in just 12 years.
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    They find a coach who is experienced and...

    They find a coach who is experienced and well-versed enough to teach outside of NTS. You know, what we did before a certain head coach was hired. ;)

    They do exist. The smarter (or just lucky)...
  16. Chris, very well put. The barebow scores have...

    Chris, very well put. The barebow scores have been adjusted for this year accordingly, slightly lowered for indoors, and slightly raised for outdoors. I think they are in line with reality now, as...
  17. Very well explained. Unfortunately we have...

    Very well explained. Unfortunately we have precious few leaders in this sport who can understand and explain all these very confusing rules and programs. Fewer still who generously share their...
  18. Only to outsiders Larry. Insiders don't care...

    Only to outsiders Larry. Insiders don't care about such trivial details.
  19. Jim, I've made my points. You're a professional....

    Jim, I've made my points. You're a professional. I'm not going to argue with you.
  20. Your tennis analogy works for indoors and...

    Your tennis analogy works for indoors and outdoors and field. Not so much for two indoor events on the same weekend.
  21. Who cares? Really Jim? Why even have a...

    Who cares? Really Jim?

    Why even have a "National Champion" title then? I mean, who cares. Let everyone have one then. Everyone plays, everyone wins these days, right? ;)

    Look, I've long...
  22. Jim, you're looking at it as an insider. Step...

    Jim, you're looking at it as an insider. Step back and view this from 30K feet. There have always been problems with this format.

    1) Who is the real National Champion? The JOAD champion, or the...
  23. I don't see this as a matter of "yea, the smart...

    I don't see this as a matter of "yea, the smart people will figure it out, so it's no big deal."

    My question is WHY? Let's get to the fundamental issue, not just how to treat the symptoms.
  24. No. Again, the stupidity of USArchery's indoor...

    No. Again, the stupidity of USArchery's indoor nationals format.

    The fact that a 10 year old kid can (and they do) shoot 180 arrows for score, sometimes in less than 24 hours, for two "indoor...
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    Great points Steve. And here is the...

    Great points Steve.



    And here is the kicker... Until and unless a coach has actually LEARNED other systems, they are a one trick pony. It's even better if you yourself as a coach have SHOT...
  26. 40cm for Bowmen recurve ONLY if they are shooting...

    40cm for Bowmen recurve ONLY if they are shooting in the regular 2-day Indoor Nationals event (why we have JOAD divisions in two indoor "nationals" is still one of the dumbest things I've ever seen)....
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    Xforce girl, There are many fundamentals that...

    Xforce girl,

    There are many fundamentals that are common to ALL good methods, which a coach should be teaching their student from day one. NTS didn't invent these fundamentals, only expand on...
  28. Steve, check some of Byron Ferguson's shooting...

    Steve, check some of Byron Ferguson's shooting out. He does this with a 70# longbow all the time. ;)
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    This is a good question and one that should have...

    This is a good question and one that should have been asked nearly 10 years ago. If after 10 years, the person who created the system is still PO'd at student coaches for not being able to "get it"...
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    I switched to a 3-spot for indoor barebow last...

    I switched to a 3-spot for indoor barebow last year. Shot Indoor Nationals that way and like Ren said, I focus better that way. I can see my arrow slightly better on the three-spot vs. the single,...
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