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    Poll: If you can get by the first, second and last...

    If you can get by the first, second and last paragraphs there is a lot of truth in this post.
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    And now, "The Rest of the Story": Before the...

    And now, "The Rest of the Story": Before the Battle of Agincourtin 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers....
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    I'm sorry, but just about the time you think...

    I'm sorry, but just about the time you think you've heard it all! WOW!
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    Poll: Levi finished 9th at Lancaster and you make it...

    Levi finished 9th at Lancaster and you make it sound like he isn't worthy of listening to because his main venue is 3D. Did you happen to see the long list of spot shooters he beat out? Surely you...
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    Sonny, I believe the "old fashioned" method they...

    Sonny, I believe the "old fashioned" method they referred to in the document was the option of shooting the release with the rope installed rather than the "new" method with the d-loop.



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    Evidence?

    Evidence?
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    I believe one thing stands out. Back tension...

    I believe one thing stands out. Back tension combined with hand relaxation has been the standard for shooting a bow and arrow long before the release. Since we are certain that at least some early...
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    I Possibly, but the way Jacobsen talked about it...

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    Possibly, but the way Jacobsen talked about it was pretty matter of fact which makes me think what he was doing was pretty commonplace. It just seems doubtful that the method that requires no hand...
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    Not looking for a fight Ron, just pointing out...

    Not looking for a fight Ron, just pointing out what would seem to be obvious based on what we already know to be factual. In 1974 Jacobsen said he was using a combination of back tension and hand...
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    Well, in 1974 Bob Jacobsen wasn't using it the...

    Well, in 1974 Bob Jacobsen wasn't using it the way you describe it, so there was either some misinterpretation or there was no consensus back then either.
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    Fences have nothing to do with it. I truly don't...

    Fences have nothing to do with it. I truly don't understand what he meant.
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    No offence, but your post just confused the crap...

    No offence, but your post just confused the crap out of me? And Laz and Padgett are pretty much on the same page... aren't they?
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    The Stan website has a bunch of old (mostly 2000)...

    The Stan website has a bunch of old (mostly 2000) and new manuals (2003-and newer). Here's one from 2000 that I found interesting, although it doesn't really answer the question. Note the instruction...
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    I have a copy of that book around here somewhere...

    I have a copy of that book around here somewhere but haven't found it as yet... I was curious to see if he mentioned anything. That would be worth looking into. The more I think about it the more I...
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    We are definitely on a bunny trail... What I...

    We are definitely on a bunny trail... What I meant was process related, not where the name came from. "Pure" BT, with no hand assist has been around for some time. Since Bob Jacobsen didn't use it,...
  16. Thread: Brain poison

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    Here's some brain poinson for you...

    A short while back I had gotten to a point where I was really working on my float, making some headway and my scores were getting back to where they should be. Then I got all mixed up in this...
  17. Thread: Brain poison

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    Hey I'm depressed, the guy is feeling bad about...

    Hey I'm depressed, the guy is feeling bad about shooting my RH personal best... I believe LH I've only managed 54 :cry:
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    He did, possibly a couple. I don't have them...

    He did, possibly a couple. I don't have them though. The quote I posted earlier was from an article that mentioned Core Archery coming out soon.
  19. Thread: Holding Drills?

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    Ron, I asked for expert advise from those that...

    Ron, I asked for expert advise from those that "can" hold within the 10 ring. That is a reasonable request.
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    The back has always been a necessary part of the...

    The back has always been a necessary part of the system to draw and hold a bow, especially those old 100# longbows.
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    I was, until recently doing it similar to the...

    I was, until recently doing it similar to the method cbrunson described, also using a Sweet Spot II. Recently I picked up (3) BT Gold releases and have been experimenting with the relaxing...
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    Rick! posted this in response to my original post...

    Rick! posted this in response to my original post in the other thread and I found it interesting as I heard (second hand) something very similar was said just recently by a pro that frequents here.
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    Yes, I guess I just suffered longer :) and old...

    Yes, I guess I just suffered longer :) and old ingrained habits are very difficult to overcome.
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    Let me explain why I responded the way that I...

    Let me explain why I responded the way that I did. In your original post you positioned this as "You are the problem" which in my opinion is the real MYTH, not whether it can be done, but the myth...
  25. I honestly would like to know who/when started...

    I honestly would like to know who/when started this PBT thing and why? We've heard a lot of opinion and speculation, I've given mine and you've given yours. Call it natural curiosity... I've started...
  26. "All fingers should be held with equal tightness...

    "All fingers should be held with equal tightness on the release and not relaxed." ~ Larry Wise
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    What is the origin of Pure back tension (PBT)?

    I posted this in another thread but thought it may spark some intelligent discussion about the origins of PBT. Not really looking for a debate on it's value only where it originated. I have my...
  28. Yes, my comments were strictly speculation, but I...

    Yes, my comments were strictly speculation, but I believe plausible. I suppose your speculation is as good as any but I would love to see something concrete. Assuming no concrete evidence will come...
  29. The question was: To what result?

    The question was: To what result?
  30. Which reminds me. I asked for some concrete...

    Which reminds me. I asked for some concrete evidence several times as to where the PBT process originated. So far, no takers. We know that in 1974 Bob Jacobsen wasn't using it and we know today's top...
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