Is Mathews their weight scale off?

[PredatorOne]

You all seen the new hunting bows from mathews but i'm very disappointed about one thing, The Mass weight off the bow...

They advertise the bow(Z7) to be competitive with an Alphamax (3,9 Pounds) or an other type of bow that is under 4 pounds, but in real life the bow's weight is 4,4 pounds!!! Where does those extra 0,5 pounds come from !?

Whats that all about!? Did they adjust the numbers a bit?? To sell it as a light weight speed It could be a human error but what if it isn't ?? who says that their " SUPER SPEED " is true??

What do you all think of that ?

[elkman6x6]

Originally Posted by PredatorOne

You all seen the new hunting bows from mathews but i'm very disappointed about one thing, The Mass weight off the bow...

They advertise the bow(Z7) to be competitive with an Alphamax (3,9 Pounds) or an other type of bow that is under 4 pounds, but in real life the bow's weight is 4,4 pounds!!! Where does those extra 0,5 pounds come from !?

Whats that all about!? Did they adjust the numbers a bit?? To sell it as a light weight speed It could be a human error but what if it isn't ?? who says that their " SUPER SPEED " is true??

What do you all think of that ?

From all the gadgets and rubber that is the new Mathews. The bow does shoot nice.... Read the fine print.

[Wil]

well i don't believe matthews speeds are very accurate. i shoot a 29" draw in a bowtech but i have to get a 27.5" or 28" matthews to fit the same. i think they run a little large on the draw length. don't get me wrong, my switchback xt was a great bow... built well, quiet, and very reliable. i never had a problem with it. i would consider buying another matthews.... well not one with that ugly waffle riser design. I really think they need to expand the cam systems. they do great things with the solo cam, imagine what kind of bows they could put out if they used a binary or hybrid system on some of their bows. i liked the looks of the old monsters, and the specs on the new on are nice but man is that thing ugly!

[PredatorOne]

Why would you weigh a bow without all of its rubbers... probbaly to set you on the wrong foot so you will buy a very light bow, ( Pretty heavy rubbers then if they are .5 pounds!)

[bowtechcharlie]

I shoot a DXT. No question here they fudged the draw length by one inch. I always shoot 29-29.5 in any bow I have shot. The DXT I shoot 28.5 and could drop a half inch to 28.
That one inch gets you 10fps on your IBO.

[bowtechcharlie]

Marketing, it's all MARKETING!
I really love Mathews bows but I have to admit I do find it disturbing that they fudge on specs. They shouldn't have to they make solid bows. To me it's like padding your resume.

[bulldog18]

Catalog shows the weight is without the harmonic stabilizer and dead end string stop. I don't understand advertising the weight of a bow without items that come with it installed.

[Looney Bin]

Some would call it marketing, some would call it flat out lying. They are not the only ones that do it. Its kind of a regular practice these days.

[drockw]

No bow is accurate on scale lol. The AM32 was rated at 3.9 but bare bow weighed 4.2

If 3 tenths of a pound is really that big of a difference, get a hyperlite

[bonehed67]

All specs approximate. I have owned quite a few Mathews bows and they were all right on the draw length.

[Boludo]

I noticed the same thing with the Z7. Under 4 pounds? Not even close. Closer to 4.5 pounds. They give you the **without accessories catch all to cover it up. I guess accessories include all the harmonic dampeners and rubber that come with the bow to begin with. Strip it down to the bare riser and the string and it might make fighting weight.

[Cantgetright]

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Either you like the way a bow shoots or not. I don't pick up a bow and say man if it was just half a pound lighter I would buy it. All companies try to show there products in the best light in every industry. I don't fault them for it I just test the product to see if I like it or not. I know it is only to get me in the door then the product has to speak for itself. I have shot them all and have owened everything from PSE to Bear to CCS to hoyt to mathews to bowtech so shoot what you like and God bless.

[Dale_B1]

Talk about one petty thread this is it. The bow is light, weights and speeds are not an exact thing they are approximate at best. Besides who ever said your scales are even certified-----I'm sure a big company like Mathews has certified scales LOL. Time to get a life.

[Perceval]

here are some precise datas coming from a mathews dealer :

Z7 full equiped out of the box ( harmonic stabilizer + dead end string stop = 5.15Oz ) = 4.4 pounds

so 3.97# + 5.15 Oz = 4.29 pounds , not that bad in my book

the 3.97# number is " **Without accessories " and you can shoot the bow with or without the dead end ST and harmonix stabilizer ( harmonic damper is in the package ) it's up to you .

[Jeff K in IL]

No bow on the market that I know of comes in at its advertised weight!

[moosedrooln]

Originally Posted by PredatorOne

Why would you weigh a bow without all of its rubbers... probbaly to set you on the wrong foot so you will buy a very light bow, ( Pretty heavy rubbers then if they are .5 pounds!)

The same reason they sell new cars without floormats. It's a business and they're out to make money!

[Sith of Archery]

mathews favorite word is " approximate" they've used that for years

approximate speed

approximate draw length (ha)
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approxiamte ata/ brace......


suprised they haven't made a bow called APPROXIMATE

[Huff/MO]

Originally Posted by Sith of Archery

mathews favorite word is " approximate" they've used that for years

approximate speed

approximate draw length (ha)
\

approxiamte ata/ brace......


suprised they haven't made a bow called APPROXIMATE

approximatly five minutes till your waffles are done...

[Dale_B1]

Originally Posted by Sith of Archery

mathews favorite word is " approximate" they've used that for years

approximate speed

approximate draw length (ha)
\

approxiamte ata/ brace......


suprised they haven't made a bow called APPROXIMATE

Nice slam------But wake up bucko-------all bow companies do exactly the samething---Approximate is used by every single company. Your attempt at a slam- sunk LOL.

[Banjo Man]

Concerning draw length, even our local Mathews dealer says they run close to an inch longer than actual.

[Running Man]

Originally Posted by bowtechcharlie

Marketing, it's all MARKETING!
I really love Mathews bows but I have to admit I do find it disturbing that they fudge on specs. They shouldn't have to they make solid bows. To me it's like padding your resume.

Yeah . . and they are the only ones.

[PredatorOne]

It was weight out of the box, it was a shock to me, but indeed when i did read the small letters i saw that they did weigh the bow with out the string stopper and other rubber pieces, if you cant compare to other bow that weigh 3,9 pounds, admit it and don't say this kind of stuff,

it would be the same if i was buying a new truck and it weight 2 tons without an engine and wheels!!!

[fletched]

I think all bows should be sent to an independent lab for testing and specs. All manufactors should use the same place.

What good are specs, speeds and weight if we can't use them.

[mathewsman90]

yep shot a 29.5" inch draw on my pse then 29" on my switchback and now 28" on my monster... i dont get it... maybe im shrinking?

[stixshooter]

Originally Posted by Dale_B1

Nice slam------But wake up bucko-------all bow companies do exactly the samething---Approximate is used by every single company. Your attempt at a slam- sunk LOL.

I just looked at Hoyts website ... didn't see the word "approximate" but I'm still looking for that and the fine print ...

I've been stung on Mathews fine print in the past that is why I'll never own another

[Rambu]

Originally Posted by bonehed67

All specs approximate. I have owned quite a few Mathews bows and they were all right on the draw length.

[Rambu]

Originally Posted by Dale_B1

Nice slam------But wake up bucko-------all bow companies do exactly the samething---Approximate is used by every single company. Your attempt at a slam- sunk LOL.

no they dont... not all of them lie like mathews.. there are a few that do.... but there are others that dont.. i personally will not buy from a company that lies...

[DannyB]

It seems to me that several people who posted here must buy their bows sight unseen. Next time go to a shop and inspect the bow. If its too heavy, put it down. If it draws a little long, try one with a shorter draw length. Shoot it through the chrono, If its not fast enough, put it down. You guys should really shoot the bow first to see if it matches your criteria. Don't order it through the mail. Wait a minute.... Mathews doesn't sell them that way. Hope this helps!

[AR&BOW]

Originally Posted by bonehed67

All specs approximate. I have owned quite a few Mathews bows and they were all right on the draw length.

I totally believe you.
You are the only one in the world that has gotten even 1 bow that was right on in DL let along all of them.

Originally Posted by Boludo

I noticed the same thing with the Z7. Under 4 pounds? Not even close. Closer to 4.5 pounds. They give you the **without accessories catch all to cover it up. I guess accessories include all the harmonic dampeners and rubber that come with the bow to begin with. Strip it down to the bare riser and the string and it might make fighting weight.

Don't buy it, sorry. My Hoyt is 4.5 lbs bare and it definitely feels much heavier than a Z7. I would like to see 1 bow that weighs close to what the manufacturer says it is right out of the box.

Originally Posted by DannyB

It seems to me that several people who posted here must buy their bows sight unseen. Next time go to a shop and inspect the bow. If its too heavy, put it down. If it draws a little long, try one with a shorter draw length. Shoot it through the chrono, If its not fast enough, put it down. You guys should really shoot the bow first to see if it matches your criteria. Don't order it through the mail. Wait a minute.... Mathews doesn't sell them that way. Hope this helps!

I agree with ya.

People complain about this yet they will turn around and put an Octane quiver on the bow and it becomes a M1 tank. Nobody notices a couple ounces yet so many complain about it. If you want it to be lighter in weight then choose your accessories wisely.

[Spotshooter2]

Mathews should just not put it in fine print. Put like the car ads, For car as shown X amount of dollars , fully decked out X amount of dollars. Put it right out there in normal print and dont try to hide it and no one can gripe about it then. Myself I like a heavier bow anyway since I am primarily a target archer (When I can get my shoulder healed from bursitis so I can shoot again)

[Albtraum]

There's a lot more factors involved for how a bow holds, shoots, and feels than what the company spits out some numbers. (specs)

[Karbon]

My 27.5 28 inch Dl with, Elite, Hoyt, PSE, NBA etc...


Ends up a 26.5 is what I have to shoot if I shoot a mathews.

It was true on the Drenalin and DXT.

[shortarrow]

Originally Posted by bonehed67

All specs approximate. I have owned quite a few Mathews bows and they were all right on the draw length.

which ones were they because my Switchback XT is like 3/4inch long compared to other bows i own? i don't remember what the DLs were on all my other Mathews though.

anyway, hearing that it might be a little heavier than they advertised puts the bow on my "possible buy" list. i hate light bows. the pin dances like MC Hammer for me. i never can understand archers putting light weight in such a positive light. but that's just ME

[1955]

This kind of thing goes with most consumer product manufactures and many stores (Sears). All you have to do is to look at any shop vac to know that the hp rating is a ridiculous lie! Sears table saws come with little tiny motors that they claim to be at least double the hp that they really are.

They do this because they know that most people trust what they read in print and don't do the research that they should. They also know that it's the specs that draw you in to begin with. Shooters that are in the market for a new bow, know what works for them and will go to the specs to at lease narrow the field down. But for the same reason I will NEVER buy a power tool from Sears, because of their false advertisements, some people will not buy from a manufacturer that lies about their specs.

I like to buy my tools from manufactures that don't need to lie...it says something about the people running the company...IMO.

If they exaggerate their specs, what else are they lying about?

[1955]

Originally Posted by Albtraum

There's a lot more factors involved for how a bow holds, shoots, and feels than what the company spits out some numbers. (specs)

Then why lie about them if they're so unimportant?

[Boludo]

Originally Posted by shortarrow

which ones were they because my Switchback XT is like 3/4inch long compared to other bows i own? i don't remember what the DLs were on all my other Mathews though.

anyway, hearing that it might be a little heavier than they advertised puts the bow on my "possible buy" list. i hate light bows. the pin dances like MC Hammer for me. i never can understand archers putting light weight in such a positive light. but that's just ME

Because you hunt in Pennsylvania. Some of us hunt here:

[Rgarbarino]

Originally Posted by AR&BOW

I would like to see 1 bow that weighs close to what the manufacturer says it is right out of the box.:

My GT500 and Z-28 are both really, really close to specified out of box weight.

[Karbon]

Alright light weight fans.

I realize that 3.9# vs 4.4# is like a 11.3% weight savings but to you really notice it on packed in trips where your bow is on your pack more than in your hand?

From my hiking exp, I realize the importance of extra weight, but with the benifits of stability vs held weight...is it that big of a deal? This is not Excessive. I understand the rifle hunters...packing in a 10# rifle vs a 4/5#er but is .2-.5# that big of a deal?

It's not a slam, cut, rip...but a REAL honest qustion.

[Boludo]

To me, it is a big deal. I hunt muleys and elk in places where hiking thousands of vertical feet a day is the norm. My bow is always in my hand. Half a pound is not a lot by itself, but after a day of killing yourself at over 9000 feet, it makes a big difference. Give me a lighter bow any day.

[Karbon]

understood