Is Mathews their weight scale off?

[TheTracker]

Originally Posted by bulldog18

Catalog shows the weight is without the harmonic stabilizer and dead end string stop. I don't understand advertising the weight of a bow without items that come with it installed.

Would you weigh a bow with a sight on it? That's why they weigh it without the String stop, It's not part of the Bare bow!

[Cajun83]

Originally Posted by TheTracker

Would you weigh a bow with a sight on it? That's why they weigh it without the String stop, It's not part of the Bare bow!

Irrelevant. If it comes factory installed then the weight should be correct. Don't tell me something weighs 3.5 pounds and I get it and it weighs 4.2. Especially if I am dropping nearly 1k on it. You are talking about a weight difference of 20%. If I fudged numbers by 20 percent I would be fired. lol

[stixshooter]

How much would an Alpha weigh if it was stripped of string stopper, Alpha Shox..ect. .. (things that it ships with ...)

Sometimes these gimmicky ways of advertising remind me of the snake oil sales people of the wild west ....

Sounds like many archery consumers are catching on and reading the "Fine print" .......

Again I like Hoyt for that reason usually better than advertised or at least the same as

[MGB]

Hoyt is as close to advertised specs as I have ever owned. Elite pretty damn good too, maybe a little generous on speeds. Mathews... pure confabulation.

Nice pict of the Wasatch(?). I'd rather have a heavier, steadier bow and cut down my weight on other stuff.

[bowman 62]

Originally Posted by Sith of Archery

mathews favorite word is " approximate" they've used that for years

approximate speed

approximate draw length (ha)
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approxiamte ata/ brace......


suprised they haven't made a bow called APPROXIMATE

if you dont like them dont buy

[Rooster Cogburn]

Originally Posted by stixshooter

How much would an Alpha weigh if it was stripped of string stopper, Alpha Shox..ect. .. (things that it ships with ...)

Sometimes these gimmicky ways of advertising remind me of the snake oil sales people of the wild west ....

Sounds like many archery consumers are catching on and reading the "Fine print" .......

Again I like Hoyt for that reason usually better than advertised or at least the same as

You must have missed post#9.


There was a thread about Martin advertising their bows the same way a few months ago.

[shortarrow]

Originally Posted by Boludo

To me, it is a big deal. I hunt muleys and elk in places where hiking thousands of vertical feet a day is the norm. My bow is always in my hand. Half a pound is not a lot by itself, but after a day of killing yourself at over 9000 feet, it makes a big difference. Give me a lighter bow any day.

i can understand that, but many, many people who aren't hunting like YOU always say this bow is better because it is lighter. it's like it has become a universally sought "quality". i guess many hunters don't shoot enough different bows , nor do they seek pinpoint accuracy enough to realize the advantage of weight on a bow.

and for many that do appreciate it for carrying, they pack quite a few things with them that they really don't need that would offset a little extra bow weight.

JMO. i can see why for hunters like YOU, every ounce less can be noticed and appreciated.

sorry we are getting off topic here. back to the discussion. i think Mathew's does run longer than some other manfacturers. i don't really like it but they do make some really fine bows

[TheTracker]

Originally Posted by Cajun83

Don't tell me something weighs 3.5 pounds and I get it and it weighs 4.2. Especially if I am dropping nearly 1k on it.

Then don't buy the damn thing, Mathews will do absolutely fine without you being one of their customers trust me!

[iharangozo94]

Originally Posted by PredatorOne

You all seen the new hunting bows from mathews but i'm very disappointed about one thing, The Mass weight off the bow...

They advertise the bow(Z7) to be competitive with an Alphamax (3,9 Pounds) or an other type of bow that is under 4 pounds, but in real life the bow's weight is 4,4 pounds!!! Where does those extra 0,5 pounds come from !?

Whats that all about!? Did they adjust the numbers a bit?? To sell it as a light weight speed It could be a human error but what if it isn't ?? who says that their " SUPER SPEED " is true??

What do you all think of that ?

fine print buddy. a monster xlr8 with a 20 inch draw at 40 pounds isnt going to go 360 fps

[jrip]

Originally Posted by mathewsman90

yep shot a 29.5" inch draw on my pse then 29" on my switchback and now 28" on my monster... i dont get it... maybe im shrinking?

Each bow manufacturer measures draw length differently, and sometimes differently between models. Yes there is a standard, but nobody follows it for a reason. It's called advertising.......

[no.1 BigMan]

Originally Posted by TheTracker

Mathews will do absolutely fine without you being one of their customers trust me!

Not if everyone would step up to the plate and hold them accountable. Oh wait, is that a legitimate word nowadays? Oh well, let's not worry about it and let em keep lieing and deceiving us.

[Woody69]

Originally Posted by jrip

Each bow manufacturer measures draw length differently, and sometimes differently between models. Yes there is a standard, but nobody follows it for a reason. It's called advertising.......

Then what's the point of A.M.O. ????

A.M.O. IS the agreed upon standard that all companies are supposed to use, and i wouldn't call it "ADVERTISING" when they don't follow it, I would call it "LYING", "CHEATING" and "DECEIVING" or possibly even "FALSE ADVERTISING" which i think is illegal isn't it ???, but i guess that's just me, because a lot of others seem happy to just let it slide and make excuses why it's ok for them to do it ???

Same thing goes when they weigh their bows and they leave half the bits/parts off while they do the weighing, that's just being deceptive as well (the bow should be weighed with all of it's bits/parts attached and weighed as well, just as it would be used out in the real world)

Or when they do the I.B.O. speed and they do it with nothing on the string, or even with a string that doesn't have as many strands as a normal string would, once again very deceptive (they should do it with a loop and peep attached, and a string with a normal strand count, just as it would be used out in the real world)

Woody

[stixshooter]

Originally Posted by Rooster Cogburn

You must have missed post#9.


There was a thread about Martin advertising their bows the same way a few months ago.

I wasn't talking about Martin .......... and that's just one post ... Sorry doesn't change my mind I'll never buy any product from Sparta ever again ..

That's just me .. and my opinion .. cool?

[Lyda]

As a new archer I find it odd that so many established archers think it's okay for the bow manufacturers to blatantly deceive the public...especially NEW archers. Spouting off such things as...don't buy it then, they'll do just fine without you, etc. Last I knew, bowhunter numbers were/are dwindling? Add crossbows into the mix and marketshare will be cut even further. I would think that the dedicated archers would be the least tolerant of 'small or petty' deceptions, as these small deceptions could hurt the sports' growth simply because of greed. Integrity should be rewarded...not deception. Just my two pennies worth...carry on~

[Ridley]

Originally Posted by Lyda

As a new archer I find it odd that so many established archers think it's okay for the bow manufacturers to blatantly deceive the public...especially NEW archers. Spouting off such things as...don't buy it then, they'll do just fine without you, etc. Last I knew, bowhunter numbers were/are dwindling? Add crossbows into the mix and marketshare will be cut even further. I would think that the dedicated archers would be the least tolerant of 'small or petty' deceptions, as these small deceptions could hurt the sports' growth simply because of greed. Integrity should be rewarded...not deception. Just my two pennies worth...carry on~

While you would think that, many mathew's fanboys blindly follow them like the democrats blindly follow obama...... Doesn't matter what lie or deception they portray, it's all covered up and excuses made for them.....

I may very well buy the z7, but it will be because of the bow's merits, not mathew's narcissistic marketing campaign. Nor will I ever jump on the assinine mathews cheerleading squad. I'll be shooting this bow and the maxxis 31, and whatever bow wins out on feel, weight, and speed will be coming home with me.

[TailChaser]

Man, that's pretty low down, those dampers add a huge amount of weight. No wonder my arm always was cramping up when I had the SB, it was probably 5+ pounds bare bow in reality.

[Hannes]

One thing they are famous of is that all their specs are "APPROX" and that can realy mean anything.

[SCbowmaster]

Originally Posted by Perceval

here are some precise datas coming from a mathews dealer :

Z7 full equiped out of the box ( harmonic stabilizer + dead end string stop = 5.15Oz ) = 4.4 pounds

so 3.97# + 5.15 Oz = 4.29 pounds , not that bad in my book

the 3.97# number is " **Without accessories " and you can shoot the bow with or without the dead end ST and harmonix stabilizer ( harmonic damper is in the package ) it's up to you .

Yeah what he said.....

[Bullcanyon]

You have to laugh at the kool-aid drinkers that run to the aid of their manufacture. Can't let anyone tell the truth about them without trying to justify it. And when their is no justification. They just say "all companies do it". Ha. Your crazy. Mathews makes a great bow, but they sure can't make one to spec. Maybe if they put all the advertising money into quality control.

[joffutt1]

Originally Posted by PredatorOne

You all seen the new hunting bows from mathews but i'm very disappointed about one thing, The Mass weight off the bow...

They advertise the bow(Z7) to be competitive with an Alphamax (3,9 Pounds) or an other type of bow that is under 4 pounds, but in real life the bow's weight is 4,4 pounds!!! Where does those extra 0,5 pounds come from !?

Whats that all about!? Did they adjust the numbers a bit?? To sell it as a light weight speed It could be a human error but what if it isn't ?? who says that their " SUPER SPEED " is true??

What do you all think of that ?

Interesting

[2fast4u]

Originally Posted by PredatorOne

You all seen the new hunting bows from mathews but i'm very disappointed about one thing, The Mass weight off the bow...

They advertise the bow(Z7) to be competitive with an Alphamax (3,9 Pounds) or an other type of bow that is under 4 pounds, but in real life the bow's weight is 4,4 pounds!!! Where does those extra 0,5 pounds come from !?

Whats that all about!? Did they adjust the numbers a bit?? To sell it as a light weight speed It could be a human error but what if it isn't ?? who says that their " SUPER SPEED " is true??

What do you all think of that ?

Look at all those added on gadgets thats where all the extra weight comes from. IMO it's very busy looking and the riser doesn't appeal to me one bit. I think they are really reaching with this one.

[Chupacabras]

Originally Posted by Woody69

Then what's the point of A.M.O. ????

A.M.O. IS the agreed upon standard that all companies are supposed to use, and i wouldn't call it "ADVERTISING" when they don't follow it, I would call it "LYING", "CHEATING" and "DECEIVING" or possibly even "FALSE ADVERTISING" which i think is illegal isn't it ???, but i guess that's just me, because a lot of others seem happy to just let it slide and make excuses why it's ok for them to do it ???

Same thing goes when they weigh their bows and they leave half the bits/parts off while they do the weighing, that's just being deceptive as well (the bow should be weighed with all of it's bits/parts attached and weighed as well, just as it would be used out in the real world)

Or when they do the I.B.O. speed and they do it with nothing on the string, or even with a string that doesn't have as many strands as a normal string would, once again very deceptive (they should do it with a loop and peep attached, and a string with a normal strand count, just as it would be used out in the real world)

Woody

They also probably shoot a bare shaft for IBO speed. Those vanes create drag.

[stixshooter]

Originally Posted by Chupacabras

They also probably shoot a bare shaft for IBO speed. Those vanes create drag.

they all do ....

[PredatorOne]

They also probably shoot a bare shaft for IBO speed. Those vanes create drag.

i don't think so because then they always have customers complaining, that they can hit the speed they advertise...

I'm getting myself a maxxis35 in a few weeks lets see if those numbers are correct...

[hjort jagare]

I was wondering how much off can numbers be before it goes from approximately to a down right lie? Must be Im strange but using the finest engineers in the world to design a bow a 29" draw should measure (29"). Also the weight of the bow is the weight of the bow there is no gray area. The average Joe should be able to order a bow especially ones with cam specific draws and know it will fit and will weigh what it said. Wondering how much the manufacturer stretched the truth should not be part of the equation. This is NOT a jab at Mathews all manufacturers should be upfront and honest or the specifications listed are worthless. Just my opinion

[shortarrow]

i must say that MATHEWS is actually closer to "true" draw length than the more honest manufacturers. i am no bow guru, so i am asking, "why does AMO add 1.75 inches to the "true" draw length. isn't that:

throat of the grip to the knock point
+1.75 inches
_______________
A.M.O drawlength

anyway, yes Mathews does lie by those standards
what would happen if a guy lied to a woman about his APPROXIMATE length and eventually she has to find out?
what a laugh he would be.

and i love Mathews bows. i have owned one or another for at least 15 years!

so why do they muddy the waters with AMO length instead of hust measuring from the throat of the grip???

[HANGum HIGH]

Originally Posted by Boludo

To me, it is a big deal. I hunt muleys and elk in places where hiking thousands of vertical feet a day is the norm. My bow is always in my hand. Half a pound is not a lot by itself, but after a day of killing yourself at over 9000 feet, it makes a big difference. Give me a lighter bow any day.

Give you a lighter bow any day??? Last I checked the Vetrix XL wasn't the lightest of bows.

[athomPT]

So the z7 weighs the same as the monster...........

I own the monster and have shot the z7........no comparison the z7 is measurable to the DXT I used to own!