November 30th, 2009, 06:53 PM
07X-Force Owner Comparison: Tried Destroyer 350 –and is Flabbergasted
As some of you know, I’m planning on buying a new bow this January (Lord willing).
I have done my own extensive research, and in the process, I have actually been accused of being an “engineer”. Sad to say …I’m much worse….I’m a supervisor!
Admittedly, I started the process with some harsh…preconceived notions. I initially started out thinking I wanted a Mathews Monster.
But after shooting (and Chronying) several bows at 63Lb, 29”DL (Monster, Monster XLR8, Z7, Reezen 6.5, XFGX, Axe6, Axe7, AlphaBurner, Maxxis 31-35, Rytera Alien-X, Air-raid), I quickly changed my mind.
Out of all those bows, I had picked the Reezen6.5 for speed, smoothness, forgiveness etc.
I live 35mi from the BowTech Factory, and had also tried to shoot a destroyer, but they never had one at the BowTech Factory ProShop.
Some of you may also remember my criticisms of Bowtech (and my public apology).
I still wasn’t convinced on Bowtech and had misgivings…until today when I went in to the Factory ProShop today and actually shot one.
They had one Destroyer 350 50-60Lb set up at 29” DL. So I took my five 28” 400Gr Easton Carbonaeros 340 arrows into their range, and shot them at 10 yds. I wasn’t paying too close to the placement, because I was honestly expecting to not like the bow.
Only… I did like it.
It was VEEEERRRRYYYY Smooth draw. The best I have felt yet, except for the Z7 maybe. But the 29” DL felt a little short for me and had them put it on the press and change DL to 30” (max for the D350). I then had them double check the DL and the Poundage (I had them do it twice to be sure). 30” and 62.5Lb. (yes, on a 50-60Lb bow).
BTW, this causes me to believe that Mathews & PSE both overstate their draw length.
I then took it to the range and shot my 5 arrows, at 20yd, only this time I was testing the grouping (like I had done on all the other bows). Remember, the bow wasn't sighted in for me, otherwise these arrows would have been in the buulseye.
But I’m sorry to say, that of the 5 arrows, 3 of the fletches were destroyed, because the grouping was so tight. I couldn’t have grouped them much better if I had stuck them in with my bare hand. I was expecting to shoot about 15-20 arrows (like I had on all the other bows), but I’m sorry…I didn’t bring a fletching jig! No wonder they called it the Destroyer!
We then chronied my 2 remaining 400gr arrows at 62.5Lb, 30”DL….305fps! WOW!
I AM CONVINCED THIS IS THE BOW FOR ME.
I am just telling you the way it happened, and this is the Bow I’m now planning on buying this January (Lord Willing). I’m still saving up the money.
Here’s some funky cell phone pics of the demo bow I shot today. I should have brought my camera, but I honestly didn’t expect to be impressed. Folks…I was simply flabbergasted!
On a side note: Notice the string stop! I checked...the boot does not twist on the shaft like Mathews. It's fixed very firmly in place. Well Done BOWTECH!
November 30th, 2009, 07:00 PM
Good for you! I did the same thing shooting the Elite judge this weekend; didnt think it was going to be much different than the gt500. After I shot it I asked what the dw was, 63 lbs, felt like 45, I was quite impressed and it could turn out to be my new hunting bow.
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November 30th, 2009, 07:04 PM
Nice review. The destroyer has piqued my interest!
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November 30th, 2009, 07:05 PM
great review but ummm stop shooting the same spot.
November 30th, 2009, 07:07 PM
It is a cool lookin bow
November 30th, 2009, 07:07 PM
You got that right pal. How many arrows needed to sight in?
Originally Posted by Zen Archery
November 30th, 2009, 07:12 PM
How was it after the shot? Noise, Vibrations ect..
November 30th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Smooth...quiet...shockless. Thanks for reminding me...forgot to put that in the review.
Originally Posted by NeubauerL56
November 30th, 2009, 07:15 PM
This bow would get a 10 on looks for me if they just did not have those red lines down the limbs.. Might have to get the black sharpie out lol..
November 30th, 2009, 07:15 PM
I think you just might have sold a bow lol!
November 30th, 2009, 07:19 PM
I think they look nice too. I like the red. Have you shot one yet? I recomend you go try it if you haven't already, then see what you think.
Originally Posted by AboveIBO
November 30th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Don't take my word for it. Go shoot it and see for yourself!
Originally Posted by NeubauerL56
November 30th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Not to be a chode or anything, but isn't that about 10 fps slower than IBO ratings?
At 62.5#, you'd need a 312.5 grain arrow to be at IBO. Subtract 1 fps for every 3 grains over IBO, and you end up with
400 grains - 312.5 grains = 87.5 grains
87.5 grains / 3 fps/grain = 29.167 fps
Add that to the 305 fps that you achieved, and you're looking at 334 fps IBO.
Take into account that the bow probably had a loop and peep, and that the max poundage was 62.5# rather than 70#, and you're looking at 340ish.
Correct me if I'm mistaken.
I have to say, though, that Bowtech most definitely has a winner on their hands with these two models, especially if they're as smooth and quiet as everyone says they are. I'll look forward to trying one at my earliest convenience.
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November 30th, 2009, 07:33 PM
BTW, I forgot to mention...since I can't tell how much their bows weigh on the BowTech website, I asked how much the Destroyer weighs? Approx 3.9 Lbs.
November 30th, 2009, 07:37 PM
Nice review I like the look of the new bowtech and it appears to be a real shooter!
November 30th, 2009, 07:45 PM
Great looking bow-I like the RT Grey much more than the Green they have been using. Hoping to put a few arrows through my shop's demo 350 this weekend to see what all the hoopla is about
Also glad you finally found the bow that flips your switch, TBG
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November 30th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Don't know about that CherryJu1ce. All I do know, is that my arrows weigh approx 402gr on the digital scale. When they were shot through Bowtech's ChronoGraph (back in their factory warehouse), they clocked at 305FPS.
Originally Posted by CherryJu1ce
I just had a friend double check his TAP Program for the Destroyer 350 at 62.5 Lb, 30" DL, D-Loop & Peep...& 28" Easton Carbon 340 adjusted to 401.4 gr. TAP says 303 FPS. It pretty much agrees with what I saw.
Hope that helps.
November 30th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Good review. Thanks for posting.
It sure has me interested. Gotta go shoot one!
Question: I've been seeing some other AT people stating that the Destroyer is not a true Binary Cam system.
Does anyone care to explain what is meant by that? Something about dual cams aren't slaved together, but Binary cams are?
So is it a Binary Cam or a Dual Cam?
November 30th, 2009, 08:45 PM
November 30th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Ok...I just looked and honestly I'm not sure. Good question.
Originally Posted by Au_Contraire
Looks like it could be another Dually...but it's synchronized...I don't know how to tell. Maybe a BT Tech or dealer can answer.
BowTech's Website says this:
Truly the ultimate cam technology ever developed, BowTech's new OverDrive Binary™ synchronized dual cam system delivers 350 feet per second while raising the bar on the overall shooting experience. By attaching a 100% tunable split buss cable harness to the ends of a cam synchronizing axle, cam stability is maximized while maintaining perfect synchronization for unmatched accuracy and a very comfortable draw cycle. Premium alloy composition allows for a strong, lightweight design which diminishes noise and vibration. The OverDrive Binary comes standard with rotating modules.
November 30th, 2009, 09:18 PM
340 or 350
OK now the big decision im sold on the destroyer but which should i buy. Everyone says the 350 even though it is shorter brace it shoots exceptionally good and seems to be very forgiven.
November 30th, 2009, 09:36 PM
I was corrected on the DESTROYER, Its a HYBRID BINARY SYSTEM ... It's designed different then the original BINARY SYSTEM that we know...
That is why BOWTECH has a NEW PATENT for it called the.....
" OVERDRIVE BINARY "
If you have questions about this, look for a thread titled " The DESTROYER is NOT a BINARY cam " its in the General Archery Discussion...
November 30th, 2009, 09:44 PM
Yeah I saw that one but got bogged down by all the youtube pics. So I avoided it. I'll go page through the endless bash mat'l to see if I can't get some real value out of it. Thanks for posting MT Olie.
Originally Posted by MT Olie
November 30th, 2009, 09:49 PM
Don't take anyone's word for it. Go shoot them both and decide. But I suspect you'll like the 350.
Originally Posted by dtgb115
Take a fletcher & vanes or a lot of arrows with you for good measure!
Or better yet...use the dealer's arrows.
November 30th, 2009, 10:07 PM
I'm shocked you didn't like the Axe...
Nice pics and comments on the BT.
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