I agree with the others. It could happen with any carbon arrow. I've been shooting CX's for a number of years and haven't had a problem. I have personally seen a Beman ICS 340 explode out of the bow, but it was cracked the previous shot, guy shot it anyway.
I hope your buddy's hand heals quick.
Ouch,,,,,,, Looks like that hurt a little
No, Im not joking. I bought 2 dozen of them, 19 of 24 arrows were duds. If an arrow went through the target and stuck into a tree, the arrow was ruined. If you pulled them out of the target wrong, the shaft split. Ive shot quite a few different brands, and these are the worst I have ever knocked. It wasnt a dumb comment, it was my experience with these arrows.Originally posted by Duke12
I hope you are joking! if not that is a dumb comment.
I would say the there was damage to the arrow. Been shooting CX for years infact I have six that are 5 YEARS old and still in good shape.
Still bet it hurts!
After I bought those I hooked up with some BlackHawk Vapor ACCs and havent shot a different brand yet. I have a cinder block fence in my back yard, and when an arrow goes through one of my targets (or I just miss), they bounce off without any damage. Plus they shoot straight.
The photo looks like an error on the shooters part.
I hope your hand is not next! And watch out I have seen some of the ACC's fly like cork screws before hitting blocks!Originally Posted by PSE_Maverick
Bo Hunter, basic first aid is to never remove anything from a penetrating injury, don't blame the guy for that, I would think the last thing on his mind was probably an advertisement. Always check your arrows.
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Which ones Cx's or Gold tips???????????
I know the gold tips were not to light though because i was only shooting around 62-65 pounds, i am pretty sure it was my fault.... Back when i would shoot at one dot, probley slapped a few together the previous night and didnt pay it no never mind and almost had to pay for it the next day.
This was back when i shot my Fx so it has been a few years ago.......all i can remember is that it scared the piss out of me and i started shooting different dots from that day on.
I dont think Carbon Express arrows are to light either.....as long as you go by what the company tells you to shoot for you set up you are good to go.
I my set up is boardering the 200-300 range with my draw length so i shoot the 200's and have never had problems.
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I think that just might have helped me make my mind up on between CXL select or Goldtip 30x. I'll be ordering the 30x's for sure.
If we've learned anything from the gun control nuts we know that you cannot blame the projectile or the person in control of it, so that just leaves the bow, so it must be the bow's fault
I wonder if I can use that argument to blame my keyboard for my typing mistakes.
I feel your pain, I had one blow up on me Sat. Arrow broke into 5 pieces upon release. Shot through my hand. Been in a lot of pain since. It is a good idea to check you arrows before every shot,I know this takes time but not worth the consequence of not checking them.
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SAD sight but I have seen the same with a 2016 ALUM and a 2117 ALUM
It happens more with carbon I think, also most people shoot carbon now for hunting SAD TINK
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Aside from obvious cracks, is there anything that will visually indicate a weak
shaft? Any coloration difference, Anything? I wouldn't want any of my arrows
blowing up on people..
This has been posted here, before. I"ve been told that any carbon arrow can do this?
Aluminum too.
Ugh! That's got to hurt!
Ill stick with my XX78'S. They arent gonna blow up like that
On edit: I just saw the pic of the alum. I think im gonna check more often now.
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Yea it looks like the aluminums hold together a little better, and get better penetration!Ill stick with my XX78'S. They arent gonna blow up like that
On edit: I just saw the pic of the alum. I think im gonna check more often now.
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I don't think the guy is a lefty. There is no watch or sign that there was a watch on his right arm. Looks like he tried to be smart & catch the arrow in flight.
Why do people always try to overanalyze any picture posted here! I know a lot of right and left handed people who don't even wear a watch!
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I do not believe this photo at all!!! Looks like a flall to me, no swelling, no bruising, very pretty red blood. I have been around enough wounds in my time, and this by far is the prettiest,staged wound I've ever seen...... Looks like a Carbon Express Bash to me, and I'm not taking up for Carbon Express, dont even like them, but I do not like BULL SHI _ either......
I Bet That If This Would Happen To A Big Name Pro All You Douters Would Feel Differnt About This . I Personley Take Vary Good Care Of My Stuff.probley Better Than My Wife An Kids.
This has happened to a big name pro before. I don`t mean with a CE brand arrow either.
Not sticking up for CE, nor am I bashing them. You need to check arrows before shooting them.
Jackie Caudle came to more than one national shoot with a cast on his bow hand from a double passthrough. Yep, if I remember correctly, the broken arrow paseed through his arm, near the hand...hit the riser, and passed through going the other way.
When you are putting that much energy through a skinny stick, anything is liable to happen!
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Products made of carbon fibers are getting close to their limits and are intended to do so.
Sorry for repeating other comments but an arrow of our nowadays full speed, full power full hit society also involves a certain self control.
As many pointed out you need to check your arrow before release. Better even when you gather it.
We are speaking about hunting right?
Your arrow of whatever kind of material made should be checked after the release, before you retrieve it.
Smack them on your knee and learn what the noise tells you.
When the shaft makes a strange noise, no, there is no risk at this moment to make the prey flee, put it at a different place and check at home.
I am very fond of Carbon Express arrows the only ones I could not break until now with my 65# recurve, even when hitting rocks.
If there is any body in doubt of their quality, give me samples and I will get you pictures and will get documents for you.
Happy hunting and check your arrows during retrieval
This likley could happen with any arrow. Best thing to do is to check them and "flex them first." Also, it would not be a bad idea to start shooting a 5 spot target. This would keep your arrows from getting damaged from another arrow impact.
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More pics of the CE explosion
2 more pics
too bad noone posted a pic of the guys bow setup that would have told "the rest of the story"
I've seen Beman, Easton & Carbon Tech arrows blow. In fact, that photo is very reminiscent of a few weeks a ago when a friends CT Cheetah blew and stuck into his hand just like that! It was a brand new & never shot. I think this means that any carbon shaft could blow at any time if there is a unseen manufacturing fault or other unseen damage from shooting. I don't think you should try to scare others about any one brand - they could all do it. I'm currently shooting GoldTips, but I've just ordered some Carbon Express CXL Selects, and this won't stop me from using them.
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Talk about making a guy nervous about pitching an arrow. I have never seen these pics before, very eye-opening. I'm inspecting all of my Carbon Express every shot from here on out.
You need to check ANY arrow, especially after it hits something or something hits it! I have cracked, dented and creased aluminums shooting groups and bouncing off things.
ANYTIME you miss the target, hit something hard, or something hits your arrow, CHECK IT.
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You Dont Feel A Thing When It Happens .but After Words It Sure Does. This Happend To Me In Nov 03.it Was A New Cx 3d Select.it Was Not Under Spinned. Yes It Could Happen To Any Carbon Arrow But Why Is It That Its Semes To Be Cx Arrows That Has This Problem. I Have Perment Damage To My First Finger On My Left Hand.the Picture Posted Looks Just About The Same .i Posted My Pics Right Here On At They Disapeard In A Couple Of Hours After It Was Posted.i Was In Sugery For 2 Hours.i Still Get Pieces Of Carbon Out Of My Finger.you Can Say What You Want I Did Nothing Wrong!!!!!!!!! Some Thing Has To Be Done So We Can See The Cracks If There Is One . I Use A Differnt Brand Of Carbon Arrows Now . I Think They Are Made Better. I Have Days That I Am Hesitant To Shoot.
One of the overlooked things you need to be careful of is the arrows that have been traveling on airplains in your case, jammed in with cablegaurds, sights releases etc. Arrows that have anything dropped on them or get a sharp edge pressed against them can break easily. That is why manufacturers recommend that you bend them slightly after hard impacts or before shooting in general. To illustrate take an arrow and try to break it by bending it in your hands then take the same arrow and try to press it against a sharp counter top corner and it will snap like a toothpick. There is a certain personal responsibility as a shooter to check your equipment and not abuse it. Youd be surprised how many phone calls manufacturer from people that expect not to ever break an arrow when they shoot an animal. Education is the answer because there are a lot of people out there that have no reasoning skills what so ever.
I had the same thing happen to me eccept it went threw my arm. It was bad enough that it got me to the front of the line at the ER. Made me miss a day of hunting.
As I said in the original post, I don't know all the details. As many have stated, there could be many reasons for something like this to happen...with any brand of shaft.
Also, this wasn't meant to be an anti Carbon Express thread. I don't care what anyone shoots, but what ever you shoot, after seeing those pics you may want to inspect your arrows a little more often.
Bo Hunter, If this ever happens to you (and I hope it doesn't) don't pull the arrow out...let the doctor do it.
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I had something similar happen with a Port Orford cedar shaft about 35 years ago. I did not realize the shaft was cracked and shot it with a 55# recurve. The shaft snapped and the butt end slammed into my hand where your thumb meets the hand. Was lucky it just hit real hard and did not go in. The the integrety of the carbon shaft had probibly been comprimised.
I saw this and it brought back bad memories, I got a Beaman ICS 5 years ago, it was realy bad and I still have pices in me after 3 surgeries and 20,000. I was new to the sport and a shop sold them to me. everyhing was in spec spline,grains for the 50lbs I shoot. It took a year and I have been shooting C/E since. But I will not recycle if it hits something or I miss a target it is gone. The arrow is the least costly thing we have in this sport. My hand hurts everytime I hear someone slap or talk about tight groups. guys/gals take this seriously check the shafts pay attention. The arrow that got me was only shoot 6 times. Easton engineering looked at everything they blame the uninock and bushing for the explosion. The pro shop had put them in there and at the time I didnt know if it was a good thing or bad thing.
If this happens to you X-ray or a MRI will not show the pices have the doc use a vascular ultra sound machine used for finding tiny veins this will show them the straight pices. just think there are people buying carbon for 25.00 doz. SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bob
I have talked with a guy who has a gold tip in him also. and I saw one explone on release last year. It is not that 1 is better that the other this can happen to all of them! bob
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