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My previous DIY Chronograph thread gave all of the details on the software, so I'm not going to go over it again here. The problem with that method, as I explained on that thread, is determining exactly when to select the point on the soundwave to represent your arrow's launch. The bow makes some noise throughout the entire launch sequence, so picking exactly when the arrow comes off of the string is just a guess.

I started thinking, "What if I could detect the launch without using a microphone?". Here's what I have now.

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I took some extra invisible fence wire I had and wound two coils in series. The coils are about 10" in diameter, 16-17 turns each. I mounted them (that's what duct tape is for) to a board and measured the distance between them. Then I took the ends of the wire and attached them to a microphone jack (from the same $1 dollar store mic I used originally).

When an arrow is shot through the coils, the software detects this very precisely. Since the arrow is now passing through two coils spaced apart, I can see each event. Using the audacity software to record the shot and measure the time between the events is what makes this ultra-cheap chrony work.


Here's a screenshot of the initial recording. There are a couple of things to notice. First, the microphone input slider is all the way to the right this time. The coils don't generate much of a signal, so you need everything you can get. Second, after I started recording, I left-clicked on the 0.00 on the left bar multiple times to zoom in as much as possible. I then took the shot and hit stop. The small blip on the graph is the shot. I selected this area and used the Fit Selection in Window button to blow it up. It took a couple of times and I also dragged the window larger, but I ended up with a good view of the two blips that are the arrow passing through each coil.

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After a few times, this is the view I ended up with. If you notice that the second blip is flipped compared to the first blip, that is because I wound my second coil in a different direction than my first coil. This was by accident, and it doesn't effect the end product.

Because the blips feather in and out at each end, I decided that the most consistent place to use as a time selection was the middle of the straight diagonal connecting the high and low humps of each blip. Here's the first selection:

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And here's the second selection, along with my spreadsheet showing the results of 5 consecutive tests. Not too bad, huh! :teeth:

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could you give a little more detail about the coils and how you connect them to the microphone jack... maybe some real life pictures. just to make clear.. you made a microphone using just some wire? I would never believe such a thing would work :')
 
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could you give a little more detail about the coils and how you connect them to the microphone jack... maybe some real life pictures. just to make clear.. you made a microphone using just some wire? I would never believe such a thing would work :')
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This is what my microphone jack looked like when I cut it apart. I can't solder worth a hoot, so I just twisted my wires around the areas shown and secured with electrical tape.
 
What are you shooting through it, aluminum, carbon or other material?
 
Can you provide more info and pictures of your wire set up. I don't know what invisible fence wire is. Does it matter what gauge wire you use? Why so many wraps? I assume this is to get a good reading or signal. Does the program record the time as the arrow moves through each coil of wire and the impact of the arrow into your backstop. Thanks for your help. I think I have a good understanding, just looking for confirmation.
 
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Can you provide more info and pictures of your wire set up. I don't know what invisible fence wire is. Does it matter what gauge wire you use? Why so many wraps? I assume this is to get a good reading or signal. Does the program record the time as the arrow moves through each coil of wire and the impact of the arrow into your backstop. Thanks for your help. I think I have a good understanding, just looking for confirmation.
I'll post some pics in a bit. There is really nothing special about the setup, and I haven't tried to optimize it at all. I'd guess the gauge is 16, insulated solid strand. I used it because it is what I have in hand and it seemed stiff enough yo stand up well. The software records anything that it detects as long as you are recording. You have to pick the points off of the wave that represent when the arrow is passing through each coil. It will not detect when you hit the backstop. It is really much more like a real chronograph in this configuration than when using a microphone. Think of it as two metal detectors on the same circuit.
 
This is a great idea...and one worth doing...Looking forward to seeing more pictures..

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Some more pictures. See, I told ya it aint much to look at ;)

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The plug drove me nuts this evening. I took my original plug apart for the picture I posted earlier. I had just twisted the wires on, so I figured I'd solder them on now that I knew it worked. Long story short, be absolutely positive that you have a good connection when you plug into your computer. Mine was just "OK". I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why I was couldn't see the important parts of the graph, and it turned out that my slightly looks connector was making the system so noisy that the noise was swamping out the data I was looking for. But it's fixed now and working fine. My last three tests were within 3 fps of each other.
 
OK I admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I still do not understand. If you have essentially built a microphone, then why does it not register the impact of the arrow into the bag target. Is this one of those If an arrow is fired from a bow and there is a chronograph in the way does it make a noise. Kind of like a tree falling in the woods and no one is there does it make any noise.
 
This is an awesome DIY!! As long as you have a laptop. :) Good job figuring all that out! Can't remember if you posted on your original thread if you checked your results against TAP or some other software? If you don't have the software, PM me and I'll do it for you.
 
It looks to me as if you made your computer into two metal detectors that can sense when the field tip passes through. With that thought If I were to make a cord that would go from a metal detector headphone jack to the computer mic jack and shoot past a 12" coil I should be able to figure feet per second also. Just a thought.
 
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OK I admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I still do not understand. If you have essentially built a microphone, then why does it not register the impact of the arrow into the bag target. Is this one of those If an arrow is fired from a bow and there is a chronograph in the way does it make a noise. Kind of like a tree falling in the woods and no one is there does it make any noise.
A mic is like a speaker in reverse. Sound vibrates a diaphragm with a coil on it, and when this moves past a magnet the field changes rapidly. What I made doesn't have a diaphragm, so it can't vibrate and capture sound. But if metal or a magnet pass thru it, that changes the field just enough to detect.
 
Impressive. Computer technology, physics, ingenuity and ducktape.:jam:

I think you would get a much larger signal if you magnitized the steel field point.
 
OK I admit I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I still do not understand. If you have essentially built a microphone, then why does it not register the impact of the arrow into the bag target. Is this one of those If an arrow is fired from a bow and there is a chronograph in the way does it make a noise. Kind of like a tree falling in the woods and no one is there does it make any noise.
By my understanding. By wrapping the wire he is making a COIL. Then when shooting the arrow and the head being a dissimilar metal. It will create a FIELD. Which is picked up as sound or NOISE on the software. Kind of like an electro magnet with the CORE passing through it.

Why didn't you just cut the mic wires a couple inches back and butt splice or solder it on there, instead of taking apart the jack? Just wondering if it matters.

BTW Great Idea:star:
 
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Why didn't you just cut the mic wires a couple inches back and butt splice or solder it on there, instead of taking apart the jack? Just wondering if it matters.

BTW Great Idea:star:
I started out doing that, but the OEM mic wires are a fine diameter stranded wire with some kind of insulating coating on them. I'm a lousy solderer, and I couldn't get a consistent joint on that stuff. If you can solder, I'm sure that would work fine.
 
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Impressive. Computer technology, physics, ingenuity and ducktape.:jam:

I think you would get a much larger signal if you magnitized the steel field point.
You're absolutely right. A magnet definitely gives a stronger signal, and I did try to magnetize a field point. I never got it to be a very strong magnet, and I figured if it would work with just the steel FP then that's one less thing to deal with, right?
 
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