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    Perfectly tuned, but my sight is maxed out, help please!

    So spent a few hours today getting my bow perfectly tuned, Right now I can shoot bare and fletched shafts through paper at 6 feet and 7 yards with great results. The problem is my Hogg-it sight is maxed out and my P.O.I. is a good inch to the right still at 20 yards. I have both spacer block on the Hogg-it on the same side, so when I say im maxed I mean it. What the heck should I do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by odoylerules View Post
    So spent a few hours today getting my bow perfectly tuned, Right now I can shoot bare and fletched shafts through paper at 6 feet and 7 yards with great results. The problem is my Hogg-it sight is maxed out and my P.O.I. is a good inch to the right still at 20 yards. I have both spacer block on the Hogg-it on the same side, so when I say im maxed I mean it. What the heck should I do?
    Paper tuning is not the "end" of tuning, but rather the beginning of tuning.

    So,
    let's start over at the beginning.

    We need to adjust the sight pins windage (horizontal adjustments).
    We need to adjust the arrow rest centershot (horizontal adjustment).

    Since the end goal is to get your arrows hitting where you want,
    at short range
    at medium range
    at long range...

    sooner or later,
    gotta fire arrows at a bullseye,
    and see if you like the results.

    So,
    you fired arrows at a bullseye,
    and
    you do not like the results.


    So,
    let's start over.


    1) fold a piece of paper in half to get a nice straight edge.

    2) set up a target bag or block, so that the center of the target bag or block is at YOUR COLLARBONE HEIGHT

    3) pin the folded piece of paper to the center of your target, so the folded edge is VERTICAL.



    Step back to 36 inches,
    and fire a field point arrow at the folded edge of paper.

    You want a perfect hole.

    What is a perfect hole?

    A perfect hole is a hole where
    HALF the arrow hole is not on the paper
    and
    HALF the arrow hole is on the paper.

    MOVE the gang windage on your pin sight to the left or right,
    until you get a perfect hole.

    SEE the photograph.
    I was aiming at the right hand edge of the duct tape.

    Take your time.
    Be picky.

    Get your gang windage PERFECTLY adjusted,
    when shooting at only 36-inches away from that vertical edge of paper.

    SHORT RANGE SHOOTING....adjust the pins left or right.
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    Now,
    STEP 2.


    Step back to any convenient LONGER distance.

    Fire at a bullseye target face.



    If the group of arrows is missing left of the bullseye,
    MOVE THE ARROW REST TO THE RIGHT.


    If the group of arrows is missing right of the bullseye,
    MOVE THE ARROW REST TO THE LEFT.


    When your arrow group is CENTERED around the bullseye...
    then,

    we go to STEP 3.


    Step 3,
    is return to the 36-inch shooting line.

    Fire a single field point arrow
    at the folded edge of paper,
    and
    KEEP MICRO-tweaking the gang pins windage on your pin sight,
    until you get a perfect hole again.

    Might need minor adjustments to the pin sight windage...maybe only 1/64th inch..
    you get the idea....small, teeny, itsy bitsy adjustment, to get it PERFECT.



    Now,
    we goto STEP 4.


    Go to any convenient longer distance,
    20 feet,
    11 yards,
    14 yards,
    22 yards.....

    whatever safe distance where you can shoot a group of arrows
    and not smash you own arrows.



    TWEAK the arrow rest centershot (horizontal adjustments)
    until your arrow groups are centered.



    Now,
    before you start,
    line up the arrow so that the arrow is parallel to the riser (arrow is pointed straight ahead).

    You can use two arrows,
    and just duct tape one arrow tight to the riser,
    and then,
    roughly adjust your arrow rest so that the arrow on the arrow rest
    is parallel to the arrow DUCT TAPED TO YOUR RISER.


    Now,
    roughly adjust the sight pins windage directly in line with your arrow shaft centerline
    or
    a hair to the LEFT of the arrow shaft centerline,
    (the arrow on your arrow rest).
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    When your sight is bottomed out, that is an indication that your peep is too low and that your anchor is too high. Normally, your peep will be close to 5 1/2 to 5 3/4 inches above the top of the arrow nock. The left/right problem is most likely a form issue and try putting the string on the tip of your nose and in the middle. A string on the side of your nose can cause left/right impact changes and problems with your sight setting.

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    Tweak the sight pins windage ONLY when shooting at point blank range, say 36-inches.


    When shooting at a target...
    in your example,
    20 yards....

    TWEAK THE ARROW REST,
    (not the sight pins windage).


    Never should run out of adjustment for pins windage on any commercial pin or slider sight.
    If you do, then you are probably shooting both eyes open,
    and are cross-dominant (shooting right hand bow, but the left eyeball is doing the aiming).
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    Good stuff right there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by odoylerules View Post
    So spent a few hours today getting my bow perfectly tuned, Right now I can shoot bare and fletched shafts through paper at 6 feet and 7 yards with great results. The problem is my Hogg-it sight is maxed out and my P.O.I. is a good inch to the right still at 20 yards. I have both spacer block on the Hogg-it on the same side, so when I say im maxed I mean it. What the heck should I do?
    One more thing.

    Since you are left handed,
    and
    you are running out of pins windage adjustment.....


    please post a head to toe photo,
    with YOU at full draw,
    bow hand high enough so that the arrow is DEAD HORIZONTAL.


    I can think of one more reason,
    why you might be running out of windage adjustment,
    and you have the windage maxed out to the right,
    and
    still hitting 1-inch RIGHT at 20 yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ButchrCrekHuntr View Post
    When your sight is bottomed out, that is an indication that your peep is too low and that your anchor is too high. Normally, your peep will be close to 5 1/2 to 5 3/4 inches above the top of the arrow nock. The left/right problem is most likely a form issue and try putting the string on the tip of your nose and in the middle. A string on the side of your nose can cause left/right impact changes and problems with your sight setting.
    I just measured, its right at 5 3/4in. Im 5-10, and have a 28.5in DL. I shoot with the string right at the tip of my nose

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuts&bolts View Post
    One more thing.

    Since you are left handed,
    and
    you are running out of pins windage adjustment.....


    please post a head to toe photo,
    with YOU at full draw,
    bow hand high enough so that the arrow is DEAD HORIZONTAL.


    I can think of one more reason,
    why you might be running out of windage adjustment,
    and you have the windage maxed out to the right,
    and
    still hitting 1-inch RIGHT at 20 yards.
    I'll get the photo up as soon as the wife gets home in an hour..

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    I have to ask....are you canting the bow?
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    Noone else is home, so I tried some quick pics in the garage with the timer. There not too good...
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    If you're canting the top limb to the left, and it looks like you might be, that would explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster of Xs View Post
    If you're canting the top limb to the left, and it looks like you might be, that would explain it.
    Ive leveled my bow completly with the Hamskea tool. The bow is shooting great, Pefect bare shafts at 7 yards, hitting nearly the same hole at almost 20 yards(far as i can get in the yard).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinNY View Post
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    Had this same problem with Spot Hogg Hunter and two different Mathews bows. I never did figure it out though.

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    My guess is your getting lucky with the center shot holes at the distances you have shot at. Your center shot must be off. Or else there is a big problem with your cams. Something doesn't sound right.




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    BTW, I <3 when N&B posts........

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    BTW, I <3 when N&B posts........[/QUOTE] What does this mean?[/QUOTE]

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    I enjoy the knowledge he lays down upon us mortals......[/QUOTE]

    Me too!

    Ive meticulously tuned this thing, Im getting perfect bare bullets from point blank out to almost 10 yards and everywhere in between. i dont think thats luck, it took a lot of work to get it there. That said I dont like how far outside it is. Right now its at about 14/15-16ths

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    Adjust the cable slide rod so that your vanes just baaarley clear the cables. It will fix it. These elites are super picky that way.

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    You may even have to shoot with your cock vane at 1 to pull it in far enough. It sounds stoopid but try it and let us know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbehredt View Post
    Adjust the cable slide rod so that your vanes just baaarley clear the cables. It will fix it. These elites are super picky that way.
    Ive tried that too, I actually had to slightly twist the arrow so the blazers wouldnt hit. I powder tested them to make sure of no contact

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    With the cable rod adjustment, if there is torque in the bow when you shoot, it will be magnified in your sight the further out your sight bar is set. If you have a 30 inch stabilizer laying around put it on the bow and then draw the bow and see if it points out to one side or the other. Those things will expose torque in a bow.

    If you move you sight in toward the riser do the pins come more in line or further out of alignment.

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