April 6th, 2012, 12:26 AM
Too late for what?
Originally Posted by Whaack
Maybe they can come on here and share some insight on what it takes to kill mature bucks consistently. I have a lot of questions I could ask and I'm sure others will too.
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April 6th, 2012, 12:32 AM
Ask away I'm sure they may just read it lol
April 6th, 2012, 12:34 AM
You nor anybody else would "love" to see such a show. "Tune in next week as I watch a squirrel for 2 hours, have another hunter walk through my area and then go home". They hunt where and how they hunt because they can. You, me or anybody else would be doing the same thing if we had worked to get into their position.
Originally Posted by Sluggersetta901
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April 6th, 2012, 12:42 AM
What advise would you give to someone who hunts public land with low deer density (8-15 deer/sq. mi.)?
Being that areas with such a low deer density are usually void of any agriculture and mostly big woods settings what would you key in on when determining potential bedding areas, food sources, travel corridors, funnels?
Would you advise hunting a mature buck in an aggressive or passive manner?
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April 6th, 2012, 01:39 AM
I really don't understand what all the bashing is about. They worked their butts off to get where they are now, and because of it they have the opportunity to hunt some of the best whitetail land out there. Sure they do a lot of product pushing, but that's what the sponsors give them the products and pay them for. If you had those opportunities, wouldn't you take advantage of them? Wouldn't we all love to be in the position they're in? I for one will answer that with an ecstatic YES.
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April 6th, 2012, 02:13 AM
Originally Posted by KYBowhunter89
By no means am I trying to be a smart *****, but I think that is what their book is all about. So just go out and buy the book.
They probably don't spend too much time here at AT, too busy planting food plots, hanging stands, picking up sheds, scouting for next year.
April 6th, 2012, 10:44 AM
April 6th, 2012, 10:54 AM
I have a lot of respect for them. Yes, they do have thousands of acres to hunt, but I bet they put in WAY more time than any of us could imagine. As far as public land is concerned, I believe they would have no problem dropping slobs on a regular basis. They eat, live, and sleep whitetail deer!
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April 6th, 2012, 11:00 AM
And besides, why would they want to spend any time on here? They just get bashed all day long..
Originally Posted by Octoberjohn
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April 6th, 2012, 11:04 AM
I've watched a few of their shows and they are entertaining but I really can't relate (or afford) to their style of hunting. But I don't begrudge them anything. Lee was a chemical engineer. That's one of the highest paying jobs out of school. He took a big risk to give that up, move to IA and persue his dream. As far as his book its probably like most other how to trophy hunting books I've read. I may already know most of it but I bet there are a few tidbits of information I would use. Afterall, even though they have access to thousand of acres of managed land they also spend a lot of time in the field and that experience is valuble to share.
April 6th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Well there is one like that, On Your Own adventures, and it is my favorite because of the fact they focus on public land. A new one called Pure Hunting is supposedly focused on either public land or hunts affordable for the average guy.
Originally Posted by BigBuckKiller08
If true, Lee killing a 150" buck on public land would seem to me a major accomplishment and more impressive than taking big ones off superior ground with minimal pressure. But I don't bash them at all, plus they seem likable, especially Tiff! I have to admire their wherewithal to be able to acquire the land they have. Good for them.
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April 6th, 2012, 06:09 PM
Honestly, I would not want their lifestyle. I enjoy my hunting as a past time away from the daily grind of work. I bet their schedule would have a lot keyboard jockeys crying for their mommy.
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April 6th, 2012, 11:50 PM
I have access to more public land within an hour of my house than the Lakowsky's could ever dream of leasing. I have about 30,000 within 20 mins of my house and probably 300,000+ within one hour.
The tract I concentrate on is pretty vast and it will keep me busy the rest of my life so long as it stays public land and I stay around this area.
I don't care what people say about western KY and how it's a big buck hot spot. A lot of it is hype because hunting land developers have came in and bought up all the land at auctions outbidding the locals. 10-15 years ago you could get prime land for less than $1,000 an acre, you even can't buy clear-cut strip ground for $1,000/acre now.
We have good deer here, but the deer density is LOW when you compare it to Midwestern states. The public land I hunt is seriously about 10-12 deer/sq. mi. with lots of ridges and bluffs. That's low relative to our agricultural land, but there are lots of areas in W. KY with low deer densities.
With that low a deer density do you know how hard it is to consistently see just ONE deer per sit!? I bet the TV hunter's sure don't! I might see 20-30 deer all year and I hunt hard from Oct. 20-Nov. 30 and sporadically before and after those dates. I spend 10 times as much scouting/prepping stands as I do actually hunting. I can also assure you my entry and exits to and from my stands are as close to perfect as I can get them and I hunt great stand sites. When there's no deer there, hard to see deer there. That's what I'm hooked on, it's the greatest challenge I can imagine and when I arrow a 140''+, you bet it's gonna be sweet.
The above paragraph is what keeps me going all year. It's what makes hunting fun to me. I know we are all different as hunters and one style of hunting may not appeal to me as it does to you, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I just don't see the fascination with hunters who are a product of their properties killing deer that any mediocre hunter with a little time on his hands could accomplish.
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April 7th, 2012, 02:29 AM
SMOKING HOT is an understatement for Tiffany!
Originally Posted by ILLbucknut
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April 7th, 2012, 03:27 AM
Do you understand the hours that they put in? You would be crying on the floor after doing a days work of what they do. You obviously don't understand that everything they shoot is not a product of being sponsored and owning lots of land. It's the product of years of hard work and starting from nothing. They gave up everything for this life style and are the hardest working people in the industry! With everything that they have accomplished they are still humble and the nicest people people you could talk to. Lee is an absolute deer genius!
Originally Posted by KYBowhunter89
April 7th, 2012, 08:21 AM
I personally have no problem with them. I'm fairly confident they weren't just given all that land to hunt. They probably had to work at it to accumulate it over the years. I have 3 farms to hunt right now because I lost 2 in the last year but that's life. I'm not gonna direct jealousy or hatred towards anyone just because they have more hunting land than I do.
I do get tired of people that want to do nothing but whine and cry about how the only reason other people kill more and bigger deer than they do is because they have better land and bigger deer. Guess what? I'm willing to bet that if Lee and Tiffany walked away and gave you their land and resources right now you'd run it into the ground in less than 3 years because actually getting out there and putting in the work that's necessary for success would take away from your AT gripe sessions, which you're probably not willing to do.
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April 7th, 2012, 08:46 AM
Wow I swear the hater population on this site grows daily! Most of these fools would love to live where he lives, hunt where he hunts, make what he makes and be married to a hottie like Tiffany. Who cares if he doesn't hunt public land? If you had the opportunities he has neither would you! Man you all need to back off the guy.
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April 7th, 2012, 10:01 AM
Lee shot a 177 in Minnesota too. I think it was in 1995. You got any idea how hard it is to shoot a 150 and a 177 in Minnesota? You don't do that by buying land. Lee and Tiffany worked hard for what they have and they are very good at what they do. Congrats to them for their success.
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April 7th, 2012, 10:23 AM
If you hunt great private land or not has little to do with what people are or are not. Many pay their dues to get what they have & do or are enjoying. Sometimes it's a matter of "just" knowing someone that gets you in the door & then YOU make the difference. It's the "CHOICES" we make along the way. We come to many Ys in the road as life passes & IF we make the right choice "we" too shall enjoy the fruits of success. The only time this DOES NOT really count (MUCH) is when MOMMY or DADDY gave it to you.
Anyway-they have been exposed to Whitetails many of us will never see, BUT, there might be ONE thing in that book that helps us along the way & if not, you contributed to the bankroll & little is lost on your part. I "almost" bought $10,000 worth of gold back when it was $30 an ounce but I didn't....
April 7th, 2012, 11:27 AM
That would only be worth about $550,000 today. Not much. Hope you spent the money hunting instead so you made good use of it.
Originally Posted by ahunter55
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April 7th, 2012, 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by carbon arrow1
x10, I do not have the land to hunt that Lee and Tiff do, I do not begrudge them, they work hard for it and have earned it, but great land and the time to manage it certainly helps. Since I don't have that Dan's way is the next best thing. I love hunting public land and have killed some bucks that I am very proud of in it. Hunting is all about your attitude, if you have the best land money can buy but approach it with the wrong attitude, you will struggle, but if your not afraid of hard work and try hard you can kill nice bucks on land that isn't as good, thats the key to hunting right there folks. Concentrate on what you CAN control and you will do just fine.
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April 7th, 2012, 11:47 AM
Whack/Stack. Trust me, I have managed many a Bowhunting trip in 55 + years of Bowhunting & on a working mans income BUT man, I could be hunting with Tiffinany or maybe even better, being guided in some high dollar place & a pretty guide (female) taking care of my equiptment.... Oh, MONEY does make a difference... I have been blessed though with everything in my life...
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April 7th, 2012, 12:02 PM
I don't think many of you understand how good you have it. They have to hunt and hunt hard. We can hunt at our leisure for fun and entertainment. We don't have to go to outdoor shows and fake smile with every hunter dressed in camo for picture taking. We can take a 125 inch buck and be proud, they can't. I'm glad I can stay at home and watch basketball and golf if I don't want to go hunting. Man it's good to be me.
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April 7th, 2012, 12:36 PM
Im sure the book is great and I would say they really know there stuff when it comes to "land management", "habitat work/manipulation".
That part of hunting doesn't interest me, but if thats what your into, it should be a good read.
If theres a chapter on the business end of things and how they've done so well marketing themselves.....I would buy the book then.
To those who have read it, is there a chapter on this?
April 7th, 2012, 06:43 PM
I enjoy their show, they add humor but great hunting footage. It appears they both can flat out shoot a bow. They have worked very hard to get where their at. They simply put in more time to be successful than the average hunter. I'm jealous of where they hunt, but the lands they hunt weren't just given to them. I believe they are great Ambassadors for our Sport. Good for them. They both seem very genuine.
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