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Thread: Jesus vs. Scientists: Who's Better at Miracles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattus58 View Post
    Assuming of course that the dating processes are within an eon of being accurate....
    There is a new rock dating method that works, but only opaque stone since it uses the effect of sunlight and exposure then compared to how deep the effects are. Other radiometric methods work fine, too, since that science (understanding the atom) is the same science used to make reactors, bombs and even electronic devices work, so the science itself is sound. Plus multiple dating methods are always used. The real question is, though, who buried it and why? Now's when to ask why, Rattus.



    It's a truly amazing find. The oldest structures on Earth way up in the Caucasus mountains showing the first sign of specialists in a higher culture. That's the area and date the Human Genome Project tracked the OCA2 gene to as well. Look that gene up. It's interesting to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IChim2 View Post
    Evolution happened here..could happen some where else
    Yup... and I spent many a night evolving meself once upon a time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster of Xs View Post
    There is a new rock dating method that works, but only opaque stone since it uses the effect of sunlight and exposure then compared to how deep the effects are. Other radiometric methods work fine, too, since that science (understanding the atom) is the same science used to make reactors, bombs and even electronic devices work, so the science itself is sound. Plus multiple dating methods are always used. The real question is, though, who buried it and why? Now's when to ask why, Rattus.

    It's a truly amazing find. The oldest structures on Earth way up in the Caucasus mountains showing the first sign of specialists in a higher culture. That's the area and date the Human Genome Project tracked the OCA2 gene to as well. Look that gene up. It's interesting to say the least.
    Ok... but first... where the heck are the caucuses... isn't that in russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattus58 View Post
    Ok... but first... where the heck are the caucuses... isn't that in russia?
    Southeastern Turkey. In fact, another cool thing is that until Gobekli Tepe was discovered the oldest known culture was Sumer. Where Sumer is located (modern day Iraq) is just a couple weeks walk from Gobekli Tepe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster of Xs View Post
    Southeastern Turkey. In fact, another cool thing is that until Gobekli Tepe was discovered the oldest known culture was Sumer. Where Sumer is located (modern day Iraq) is just a couple weeks walk from Gobekli Tepe.
    As I recall, when Gobeki Tepe was discovered they dated the stones that were used to build it. My questions is wouldn't they be getting the date of the stone and not when those stones were used to construct the structure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBubba View Post
    As I recall, when Gobeki Tepe was discovered they dated the stones that were used to build it. My questions is wouldn't they be getting the date of the stone and not when those stones were used to construct the structure?
    If they use the sunlight penetration method they'll only get the date from when the stone was cut up until the time it was buried. But dating burnt bits of wood and similar items in the strata they can get some good results. This one find means all the history books need re-written and theories about our past need updated. And this is the birthplace of the white race, which really adds some new implications, plus verifies some accounts in ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian texts.

    What still baffles me is why people would exert so much effort to bury it. To erase it from memory? Or to try preserving it or saving it from invaders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougKMN View Post
    Prove that it was a virgin birth and not a lie about an affair in a society that punishes infidelity and promiscuity with death.
    Religion seems to be a man thing, the movers and shakers in the history of Christianity seem to keep females out of it, just like that famous painting of the last supper, it clearly shows a woman sitting at the table of Jesus against the rest of them that are clearly male, yet powerful Christian leaders say it isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster of Xs View Post
    If they use the sunlight penetration method they'll only get the date from when the stone was cut up until the time it was buried. But dating burnt bits of wood and similar items in the strata they can get some good results. This one find means all the history books need re-written and theories about our past need updated. And this is the birthplace of the white race, which really adds some new implications, plus verifies some accounts in ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian texts.

    What still baffles me is why people would exert so much effort to bury it. To erase it from memory? Or to try preserving it or saving it from invaders?
    Maybe Christians buried everything older than 4000 BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayeux View Post
    Religion seems to be a man thing, the movers and shakers in the history of Christianity seem to keep females out of it, just like that famous painting of the last supper, it clearly shows a woman sitting at the table of Jesus against the rest of them that are clearly male, yet powerful Christian leaders say it isn't
    Catholics seem to place Mary pretty high on their roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBubba View Post
    Catholics seem to place Mary pretty high on their roster.
    It seems to end with Mary though, what i was trying to say but not very well i may add was that Females don't get the chance very often to head up their own church, over here there are some but the traditionalists don't much care for it. British TV made a comedy show out of this subject called the Vicar of Dibley, not sure it aired your side of the pond, back to the subject though,can you tell me why the male reluctance to females in religious high places such as having your own flock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBubba View Post
    Maybe Christians buried everything older than 4000 BC.
    Nah, there weren't any Christians when it was buried. We're talking AT LEAST 8500 years prior to oldest writings of Genesis and even 4000+ years older than the oldest stories that Genesis was based on.
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    Sorry, I am skipping to the end eithout reading everything. Science looks for answers and explanations. A miracle is a result without rational explanation, or without an understanding of the cause. Why would science try for miracles? The quesrion does not even make sense. You may as well ask who is better at having kitens, cats or dogs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN_Chick View Post
    Sorry, I am skipping to the end eithout reading everything. Science looks for answers and explanations. A miracle is a result without rational explanation, or without an understanding of the cause. Why would science try for miracles? The quesrion does not even make sense. You may as well ask who is better at having kitens, cats or dogs?
    Cat-dog....cartoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayeux View Post
    It seems to end with Mary though, what i was trying to say but not very well i may add was that Females don't get the chance very often to head up their own church, over here there are some but the traditionalists don't much care for it. British TV made a comedy show out of this subject called the Vicar of Dibley, not sure it aired your side of the pond, back to the subject though,can you tell me why the male reluctance to females in religious high places such as having your own flock.
    I'm not up to speed on that question (the minister at my Church is female). I don't know what churches allow females in leadership roles and which ones do not. I'd first try asking a Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougKMN View Post
    Funny you mention gravity. It is a theory that is even LESS understood than that of evolution. The Newtonian Gravitational model had to be thrown out because it does NOT hold up at high speeds. It has been replaced by the Einsteinian Gravitational model.

    We have very little idea how gravity truly works.
    We know exactly how electricity works. Ohms law has been proven with an error of about 10^-15 . That is more accurate than most people can even imagine. It is actually easier to believe in a "miracle" than to comprehend a number as small as 10^-15. Gravity is pretty well understood as well. If gravity was not understood then space travel and satellites would not be possible. It is not "thrown out" because the laws do not hold for speeds near or at the speed of light. It just can not be readily applied to speeds at or greater than the speed of light, the latter of which has never been witnessed. Newtonian mechanics work perfectly fine for our physical world.

    The bible was written 300 years after the death of Christ. 300 years!. How accurate do you think the bible can be?. How hard is it to get accurate history from 150 years ago? think about that.
    Try getting a group of 10 people together. one person tells the next a story and that person tells the next. The process is repeated until the final person retells the story to the first. Then compare that version with the original. This process can take at most 10 minutes if you keep the story to 1 minute. Do this and then think about how the story of the bible maintained accuracy for 300 years before the technology of writting was invented and the bible was created, by man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8750 View Post
    We know exactly how electricity works. Ohms law has been proven with an error of about 10^-15 . That is more accurate than most people can even imagine. It is actually easier to believe in a "miracle" than to comprehend a number as small as 10^-15. Gravity is pretty well understood as well. If gravity was not understood then space travel and satellites would not be possible. It is not "thrown out" because the laws do not hold for speeds near or at the speed of light. It just can not be readily applied to speeds at or greater than the speed of light, the latter of which has never been witnessed. Newtonian mechanics work perfectly fine for our physical world.

    The bible was written 300 years after the death of Christ. 300 years!. How accurate do you think the bible can be?. How hard is it to get accurate history from 150 years ago? think about that.
    Try getting a group of 10 people together. one person tells the next a story and that person tells the next. The process is repeated until the final person retells the story to the first. Then compare that version with the original. This process can take at most 10 minutes if you keep the story to 1 minute. Do this and then think about how the story of the bible maintained accuracy for 300 years before the technology of writting was invented and the bible was created, by man.
    We know hoe electricity will behave. We even know how to generate it, but we don't know why it works.

    We know the laws of gravity but we don't know why a smaller mass will be attracted to a larger one.

    Think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8750 View Post
    We know exactly how electricity works. Ohms law has been proven with an error of about 10^-15 . That is more accurate than most people can even imagine. It is actually easier to believe in a "miracle" than to comprehend a number as small as 10^-15. Gravity is pretty well understood as well. If gravity was not understood then space travel and satellites would not be possible. It is not "thrown out" because the laws do not hold for speeds near or at the speed of light. It just can not be readily applied to speeds at or greater than the speed of light, the latter of which has never been witnessed. Newtonian mechanics work perfectly fine for our physical world.

    The bible was written 300 years after the death of Christ. 300 years!. How accurate do you think the bible can be?. How hard is it to get accurate history from 150 years ago? think about that.
    Try getting a group of 10 people together. one person tells the next a story and that person tells the next. The process is repeated until the final person retells the story to the first. Then compare that version with the original. This process can take at most 10 minutes if you keep the story to 1 minute. Do this and then think about how the story of the bible maintained accuracy for 300 years before the technology of writting was invented and the bible was created, by man.
    While we do fully understand the "effects" gravity has, like observing what kinds of speeds it takes to reach escape velocity and the rate at objects accelerate due to gravity, we still don't have a very fullunderstanding of exactly why it does what it does. We'll figure it out, though. If we last long enough.

    And not only was the Bible written over 300 years after the supposed resurection, the older books were modified and/or omitted, and the oldest texts were most definitely modified versions of even older tales. Plus the fact nearly all the books come from anonymous copies, passed down copy after copy of translation of copy with multiple authors makes it's authenticity questionable at the very least.

    These are things a rational or skeptical mind HAVE to question before placing faith in value of what's written in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster of Xs View Post
    While we do fully understand the "effects" gravity has, like observing what kinds of speeds it takes to reach escape velocity and the rate at objects accelerate due to gravity, we still don't have a very fullunderstanding of exactly why it does what it does. We'll figure it out, though. If we last long enough.

    And not only was the Bible written over 300 years after the supposed resurection, the older books were modified and/or omitted, and the oldest texts were most definitely modified versions of even older tales. Plus the fact nearly all the books come from anonymous copies, passed down copy after copy of translation of copy with multiple authors makes it's authenticity questionable at the very least.

    These are things a rational or skeptical mind HAVE to question before placing faith in value of what's written in it.
    I truly hate to keep being disagreeable, but the VALUE of what's written is of timeless import.

    Aloha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattus58 View Post
    I truly hate to keep being disagreeable, but the VALUE of what's written is of timeless import.

    Aloha...
    OK, Rattus. WHY? Under the circumstances I really should question the Bible's contents. Anyone should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster of Xs View Post
    OK, Rattus. WHY? Under the circumstances I really should question the Bible's contents. Anyone should.
    No one really knows when Jesus birthday is....but were supose to believe everything in the bible happened just the way it's written ?.....ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBubba View Post
    We know hoe electricity will behave. We even know how to generate it, but we don't know why it works.

    We know the laws of gravity but we don't know why a smaller mass will be attracted to a larger one.

    Think about that.
    Smaller objects are attracted to bigger objects equally. We understand exactly why. force of gravity=G(m1m2/r^2). The smaller (m1) mass is proportional to the greater mass (m2).

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    A smaller mass is attracted to a bigger mass, and a bigger mass IS attracted to a smaller mass. Why? because they both have mass! duh!

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    If we didnt know how, and why, electricity works, we never would have figured out how to generate it. The egg came before the chicken on this one.

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    You can lead a horse to the water.....

    I really need to get out of this thread. This thread is evidence of how science and religion should never be discussed together.

    Have a happy Easter everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8750 View Post
    Smaller objects are attracted to bigger objects equally. We understand exactly why. force of gravity=G(m1m2/r^2). The smaller (m1) mass is proportional to the greater mass (m2).
    You are describing what is happening. You are not explaining why.

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