What is the best glue for inserts on carbon arrows has anyone ever tried insert iron from bohning archery i am sure this has been beat to death but here we go again.
Easton HIT adhesive. You can get a tube of the stuff...comes in a red tube. It's a bit expensive...it's like $20 for a tube of it. But I just about guarantee you wont have an insert or nibb come out on you. One tube will last a LONG time....I go through a bunch of arrows but never have any trouble with inserts coming out. One tube of it will last you a LONG time...all you need is about 2 dabs of it per insert or nibb...and one tube has lasted me about 4 yrs now. It has done all my many many dozens of arrows, my wife's arrows, and my co-workers who hunt that kept complaining about losing inserts and tips in targets...I've never had one person tell me their tips came out after using this stuff.
You can heat it just like hot melt to remove the insert if you choose...but chances are, the insert will outlast the arrow itself and thus it wont matter anyway. Hot melt and low melt glue works OK...but I've lost quite a bit of tips over the years due to them pulling out in targets...especially if the target is wet on the inside or if its cold outside.
insert iron, i have used it for two years and had no problems. If you need to remove an insert just boil some water and put the arrow in it for a minute... insert pulls right out.
******** will use crap like gorilla glue, lock tight, man tuff or any archery product that is marked up 150%. Guys with some sort of edumacation lol will use the cheep walmart hot melt glue, and cheep walmart super glue for their fletchings on carbon shafts. You cant pull your inserts out and you will have to use pliers or a knife to get your vanes off. The bonus is if you run out of the crap walmart is always open and its always in stock.
You will need a cheep torch and a butane fuel can from home dept to install your inserts or points. The torch will cost you a whopping 15.00 bucks and last you for ever. The fuel will cost you another 5 bucks and will last a few seasons. You can add or remove point weight or different tips by just heating the tip up enough for the glue to soften. It literly takes a few seconds and thats it. If my 11 year old daughter can use it to build her arrows im sure some of you guys will figure out how to use it. lol
bonus is you can also use the glue for your pin nocks. If one gets banged up just take it out and put another one in.
Thing I like about GG and Insert Iron is that the urethane actually expands a small degree and fills voids, forms a "mechanical lock" with the insert. It is a wee bit like foam but with some serious tack and of course it is heat reversible. Only problem I had with Insert Iron was with brass inserts for 22's and the inserts were really smooth with no real grooves in the insert. I learned of the term "mechanical lock" while bedding rifles, gives you extra assurance. I have had expoxies slip on me, they say 24 hr is better than 5 or 15 minutes because it is not supposed to be as brittle when cured. Super glues, sometimes they work great, more often than not- first hard hit, they loose their bond and begin to come out.
I use Goat Tuff High impact. I can honestly say I have never had an insert pull out, you will break the shaft first. I have had good luck removing inserts glued in with this stuff by screwing in a field point and putting it to the propane torch. You do not want and flame near the carbon! I'm sure there are others out there that work just as good.
With the longer inserts that came with Easton Epics.... Devcon 2 Ton - 2 part epoxy was fantastic.
With the 2 Ton had some issues with Gold Tips. They told me not to use expoxy. They have their own glue (Tip Grip) now that they told they have tested and works. Fingers crossed!!!
They did send me some to try. So far so good. Did ask Levi Morgan... he gave the thumb ups. So..... hoping no more issues.
Really there's no reason to NOT use low temp melt glue other than you don't want to use it.
I've used it for many years. I shoot indoor spots competitively, 3D and hunt. No problems with inserts pulling out. Glues that get real hard and brittle can 'shatter' breaking the bond between insert and shaft after so many impacts. Then the arrow penetrates a new target and when removed the insert and tip are left behind.
Wow, im learning a lot today. I never knew you could do that. I was always under the impression you cant do that. Cool, from now on ill do it at home instead of the proshop doing it. :thumbs_up
To remove inserts with whatever, I will share a tip that works. Take an old field point, screw it in and heat JUST the field point with a torch. Then immediately grab field point with pliers and twist. I can remove most inserts like this without over heating the carbon. Sometimes, you actually have such a good bond, you can pull carbon out on your insert so this method is not without it's risks. be Careful with the heat, just enough-not too much.
dose anyone have experience with the plain hot glue stick from Michaelsare tghey any good. ive used them on wooden dowel arrows before but not on inserts
Black Eagle sells an insert glue that has rubber additives in it. The glue is black in color, dries fast but gives you a few extra seconds of time so you can turn the insert in rather than having to pop it in immediately like most super glues. So far so good on inserts not popping out.
Wasn't impressed with insert iron. Though I heard rave reviews about it. I've used insert iron, gorilla super glue,G5 blue glue, thirty ought six insert weld, and gold tip tip grip.
Insert iron is only one that ive lost inserts from.
Blue glue doesn't dry clear like is says. ( though on inserts no biggie)
The best I've used is by far thirty ought six iron weld. But all but insert iron worked great.
I shoot outside in 90 plus degrees so I've never done melts. But about the only advantage you hear to using melts other than price is they say you can recover your inserts if need to. But getting inserts out of arrows is easy no matter what you use. Glue or melt. Drill bit is best method. You can use heat also but never wise to add heat to the carbon. So don't heat the arrow or a field point in the arrow. If you want to use heat get vise grips and put a field point in the vise grips with threads sticking right out in front of it. Then heat just the field point AWAY from arrow and insert they should be laying next to you on bench. Get tip to where it's about to turn red but not red yet. Then set torch down grab arrow and screw tip in arrow. Once it's seated wait about 1 sec then continue too turn righty tightly and insert will come out like butter. And very little heat will have been transferred to the carbon.
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