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Thread: When will the IBO start holding clubs to standards?

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    When will the IBO start holding clubs to standards?

    I have been a faithful IBO supporter for going on 10 years, I attended the NY State IBO Chamionships this weekend hosted by Active Bowhunters of Western NY. Ok I have shot the state shoots every year as well as worlds and various legs of the NTC. This same club hosted the states about 5 years ago, me and a friend attended after that day I vowed to never return to Holland, NY (the home of ABWNY). Fast forward to 2012 against my better judgment I returned to 3 Valley Resort to shoot our state shoot and show support. From the get go it was dejavue, sketchy shots, staggered shooting stakes resulting in damaged arrows, beat up old repaired targets,poor target selection (three jake turkeys and 5 javelina for starters) No equipment checks whatsoever! After shooting and hiking the courses for 4 plus hours return to clubhouse to hand in cards no food available, also no water on the courses.



    Before people try to lynch me, I shot ok and anyone that knows me and what I do for the sport will know it has no bearing on these accusations. My congratulations to all the winners as the courses were very tough.

    Back to the matter at hand, we as shooters and supporters spend a ton of $$$ and time preparing for shoots and to drive 4 hours or more to deal with these conditions is ludacriss.....So with NY being a stout IBO state with many able and willing clubs...I ask again when will the IBO stand up, and hold clubs to professional standards?
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    I was there today as well, fantastic grounds but brutal course, and rubbish targets. How do you find out if you won or not, no one told us.

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    The targets were very beat up and needed to be up graded. It would have been nice to have a bite to eat after being on the coarse for 5 hours.
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    Well, for starts if the IBO has a state or regional Director I'd be in his or her ear.... I've been known to go farther, like right to the top.
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    The situation will be discussed with all parties involved!!!

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    It better be, Myself and others will be discussing it with Ken at Bedford, wether he likes it or not.
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    The guy that runs Active is an IBO state rep.

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    One of the biggest problems with targets is that there is no standard target. When you shoot a Vegas target, NFAA 5 spot, field archery target, no matter who makes it the scoring rings are the same. Delta, McKenzie, Rhinehart, B&M, Symblex, are all different. Is the IBO going to tell all clubs that in order to hold a shoot they must conform to one target brand? $$$$! The targets where very poor in appearance, a couple you had to really look at to determine the scoring lines when pulling arrows. Some brands on a brand new target you can't see the lines until you are up there. Some brands people have a hard time shooting them because they are unfamiliar with the location of the X ring if they have not seen them before. The targets at Active shoudl have stopped all the arrows without any going to the fletch. Frankly some of the repairs were easier to hold on the X ring because it stuck out like a sore thumb.

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    I avoided shooting the Ontario qualifier this year because the targets at Port Colborne are really bad, the sort of things most clubs just leave out for winter.
    Going to the NY state champs to qualify I thought I would get a strong field, good course and good targets. I got a good course although some small targets were stretched a bit, I didn't see any other recurve bows there and the targets were poor. I would shoot there again any day because of the grounds and I understand that targets are big money but I would like to see at least a few decent ones.
    Without a website I still don't know how you find out the final results, do they get posted anywhere?

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    Its nice they rotate the state championships around every two years. Too bad they don't do the same for the nationals. Typical IBO politics. Glad I didn't waste my time on a 4 hour plus ride. Won't waste it next year either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damnyankee View Post
    It better be, Myself and others will be discussing it with Ken at Bedford, wether he likes it or not.
    Good, bad or indifferent; The man said it would be discussed. I would have thanked him instead of giving what could be deemed a threat.
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    I know Rudy personnally, Not a threat at all...He was there shooting so he knows all is truth.
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    Yes Rudy is a great guy. I'm sure things will be addressed.
    Thanks NY state rep
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    again i will say this happened at the same club 5 years ago and nothing was done , they got it back and same thing. some archers take the IBO big shoots as a measure of their accomplishment ., which they should. 5 years ago my friend tied in hunter for 1st and got beat on x s and did not even get a trophy for 2nd in a huge class at a state championship.
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    At least he knew his position, there was nothing showing that this year.

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    they had scores inside on a board.

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    I looked for them when I handed my card in but there was nothing there. I guess being recurves we were finished way before most so they hadn't marked them up yet. Will they be posted online anywhere?

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    If you hold a state championship you should be held to a standard. A target list should be followed and in new condition. Scores and prizes should be presented and posted in a timely manner!

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    Well said



    Quote Originally Posted by cenochs View Post
    If you hold a state championship you should be held to a standard. A target list should be followed and in new condition. Scores and prizes should be presented and posted in a timely manner!

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    every one had to shoot it ,whats the staggered stakes have to do with it?what do you consider sketchy shots? only reason it took me 5 hours was because we were stuck behind two 6 man mbo shooters that spent more time looking for arrows that missed. took me 4hours to shoot 20 targets at the worlds i also know gus who have shot this course on a regular basis and had no real complaints to me it was a typical day your not at a national shoot or a cupcake festival flame me if you want
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjono View Post
    I looked for them when I handed my card in but there was nothing there. I guess being recurves we were finished way before most so they hadn't marked them up yet. Will they be posted online anywhere?
    I have been in contact with the POC for the shoot. I was told I would be emailed the results of this shoot this week. When I receive them I will start a NYS IBO championship results thread in the NE shoots section of regional shoots.

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    The IBO NYS shoot was originally slated to another location and then taken away... what a mistake
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    BIG mistake Double J would have put on a proffessional state shoot, 6 man groups? that's another violation of IBO rules.
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    I am just dreaming and thinking beating in a day of work but what if the IBO or even the ASA sponsor each states championship buy donating targets have like a mobile target trailer and a rep help organize and over see the placement of targets. I don't know exactly how it would work but they could advertise on their website and help get local sponsors for each shoot.. For example Kentucky could get Scott CBE/Elite to sponsor a KY state tournament where they would donate prize money or the money for the targets. Just Ideas off the top of my head I am bored at work!

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    I like your thinking. Rather than sell them off at the end of the worlds, keep them as state champ targets. Perhaps the new Rinehart federation will be doing that

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