May 20th, 2012, 05:56 PM
Ibo shoot off question.
What would you do if this happened to you?
As of 1pm today my wife was in a tie in her class. We approached Ken Watkins to ask if, when, and where would the shoot offs take place so that we could be ready. Ken informed us that there would be no shoot-off and that it would be listed as a tie. Based on that we left Bedford and headed for home. Now we find out that they did have a shoot off and due to us not being there they awarded the spot to the other archer. ( who ken had also originally told no shoot off as well)
We're really unsure what we should do. I feel the results should be protested and a legal shoot-off held at Erie prior to the award presentations.
What do you all think?
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May 20th, 2012, 06:15 PM
protest it and next time dont listen to ken
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May 20th, 2012, 09:02 PM
ol ken must have been havin a bad weekend... besides bein an when asked a few questions, its not the only b.s decision they made ....protest for sure
May 20th, 2012, 09:11 PM
Thats crap for sure hope it works out.
May 20th, 2012, 09:11 PM
Ken, it pays to get it right the first time.
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May 20th, 2012, 09:28 PM
Protest it for sure. I would think the IBO Ken would understand but then again it's the IBO.
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May 20th, 2012, 09:37 PM
I also heard no shoot offs from ken after i sat around for 3hr.
May 20th, 2012, 09:39 PM
When I asked Ken about the shoot off he was very for sure of himself that no shoot off was going to take place. He even congratulated me for my finish. Granted this was for fourth place but none the less I as congratulated and told awards would be given out at Erie and ties were standing. I'm happy with how I placed just upset that the opportunity to do the shoot off was taken from me. I was there ready and waiting. The kicker to this is the girl who tied with me was told the same thing. But through a mutual friend was called to come back that a shoot off was in fact going to take place. By this time I was an hour away on my way home. I'm taking nothing from her she shot well and deserves a "fair" chance as well. It's the principle of this that upsets me. Along with the fact that Mr Watkins is constantly making up his own rules. It's unfortunate that while we all must follow rules that in a lot of cases are questionable they are still rules none the less. However Mr Watkins this does not mean you get to make up your own rules and enforce them when you feel it benefits you. We the archers keep you and the IBO moving forward. Let's not forget this... All I want is for the right thing to be done. I'll be at Erie and will continue to shoot my best.
May 21st, 2012, 06:12 AM
Wow, that sucks. Hope you protest it and they make it right!!
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May 21st, 2012, 12:00 PM
I thought they only did shoot offs to resolve ties for first place?
Learn something new every day I suppose.
May 21st, 2012, 07:32 PM
there is no ties in the ibo! everybody knows that.....so i say let it be so nobody gets in trouble.. the way they did things at bedford.. which was my first time there by the way, i am not impressed at all!!! this is a fun sport and you got a....holes turning people in for loaning kids binos. sorry but the asa is alot like what we need sportsman!!!!! not people like ken who presses b.s.(i assume). i believe this will be my only year. i dont like the way some of these people act anyways all over a damn $5 buckle...whoooooo whoooooooooooooo.
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May 21st, 2012, 10:44 PM
Uh not sure if your attacking me here or not. But I'm not into "getting" anyone in trouble. Just merely pointing fingers at the IBO. Not shooters. Wow.
May 22nd, 2012, 01:52 AM
I'm not sure that there was a shoot off for fourth, that .1 next to the X count has something to do with some other way they are deciding ties at these shoots, like previous participation or recent finishes. Go on the IBO web site and ask that question.
Originally Posted by goofy2788
May 22nd, 2012, 04:53 AM
If in fact they did have a shootoff for 4th place and you were told otherwise i would definitely protest it.
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May 22nd, 2012, 08:42 AM
Yeah they had a shoot off. I'm waiting to hear from the IBO. To set the record clear I'm not pushing this to get anyone in trouble. Unlike what the above individual said. All I've done is ask the IBO to explain how this is right. No one to blame but myself. Should have known better than to listen to the president of the IBO. I'll take 5th.
I have been told a shoot off takes place if it's a tie in a place that would receive an award. Fhc is awarded out to 5th place "i think"
No I could care less about the award. This whole thing has to do with the principle of this issue. I'm still where I want To be within the triple crown. That's what is most important. But if either party is not present during a shoot off they flip a coin to determine who gets the x count. And again this is not what Mr Watkins explained. But oh we'll. I'm just merely interested in what BS the IBO will have to say. Outside of that I'm really happy with how I shot and how I finished. My goal is to make peers if I can do that I'll be a happy girl.
May 22nd, 2012, 11:44 AM
ASA! Don't waste your time with the IBO! Sorry to hear about what happened to you!!
May 22nd, 2012, 11:48 AM
Geesh! You guys are starting to scare me...I am going to participate in the only qualifier in my state this year so I can go to Seven Springs in August...is it not worth going? what's the deal? please fill me in before I make a big mistake.
May 22nd, 2012, 12:15 PM
I had the same thing happen to me last year, and it was for 1st place, they said it would be a tie, but they awarded me second place. I would have been fine with this but my sponsors pay contingency money and from 1st to second is a nice little chunk of change. When I called the IBO, they said the other guy stayed for the shootoff, even after they said there wasn't going to be one. Later I found out, he didn't stay either. If the ASA wasn't so far away, I would never shoot another IBO again.
May 22nd, 2012, 12:46 PM
I shot London KY ASA last year. Had a blast. I agree if they weren't do far away I would most likely shoot them more. Their is a lot about IBO I like. The one BIG thing I don't like is the way it's ran. And my point there being how they flip flop decisions and ideas worse than politicians.
May 22nd, 2012, 01:29 PM
I think Ken should step up and be accountable for his actions
Stop running IBO like a mafia and understand that the shooters pay the bills
May 22nd, 2012, 02:57 PM
Too bad ASA's are a long way from most of us IBO'ers. Closest one to me is 13 hours, no thanks, until they move some closer.
Originally Posted by cenochs
May 22nd, 2012, 03:05 PM
London KY is probably the closest to you! Is it 13 hours? I drive from KY to FL and it only 12!
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May 22nd, 2012, 03:07 PM
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May 22nd, 2012, 03:55 PM
Yes it is the closest, NE corner of PA to Bedford takes 13 hours, London is about the same. I'm not going to buy a ASA membership to shoot once a year either.We've discussed this before I'd love to shoot ASA but 13 hours for the closest is way too far for this guy. There's a ton of 3Ders in PA, OH, NY if there were a couple within 8 hours of me I'd go.
Originally Posted by cenochs
How about having one in VA, MD, OH, PA, WV alot of shooters up here, can't understand it. IBO goes down south every spring.
May 22nd, 2012, 04:23 PM
more like a union lol Yes I would protest
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