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    Conifer Type Tree Questions

    I am wonder how you can keep Conifer Type Trees (Everegreens and Pines) growing and Healthy? When you drive down many raods and expressways you saw all these trees in great shape and yet the ones on my property are looking poorly. Many are blowing down over the spring and others are losing their limbs yet you don't see this when you are driving out and around. Is it because they have full sun most of the thime or a combination of things including better soil or what is it that does not seem to be working. I have heard that putting fertilizer down won't do much for them this late in the growth like the same for Oaks it does not do anything for acorn production I was told. Any ideas what someone can do to better the trees???

    Any suggestions it seems it will be a hot summer and not sure if that wll takes it toll on them.



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    Conifer trees usually loose their limbs when they grow in dense stands and lower branches do not get enough sunlight. At the same time, trees with poorer growth potential "drown" and die off in such dense stands when they cannot compete with other trees with better growth potential. Survival of the fittest. If you have older trees with enough space around them then the reason for loosing limbs and needles turning brown might be the air pollution, fungal infection or insects, the type of soil also. If you dont have the right type of soil then there is little you can do but it is better to have correct tree species growing there in the first place. If you want dense limbed conifers then you might select cut the weaker surrounding trees and give enough space to those trees you see potential in.

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    So why is it so many habitant specialist tell you to plant them closer together and in large stands of trees? I have some red pines that have been there for 20 years and look good and yet other trees look very poorly. When I recently planted 25 more red pines many told me it was the wrong chopice and I neded to buy spruce yet the others have grow well and still lok good and they are in a large stand. My soil is mainly sand and again habitant people say that oines grow well in it I guess it is just hit and miss! Yet I have had fruit trees make it and was told it was not going to work when I started planting them. Though it took a while to get them produce many are today but the spring weather this year might have done that in with warmer weather then frostI can only hope some produce. This year I added some Wild Pear and Crabapples along with some Red Pines. Next year I will plant some spruce and see which ones grow the best over time...

    Thanks for your post.
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    conifers need alot of sun but it sounds like u have a bug pm any questions u have i raise xmas trees
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    There is only one factor that affects the height of pine trees and that is soil quality. The reason you plant dense stands in the beginning is that as the trees grow they are so dense that they prune themselves. when they get tall and slender you thin the weaker trees out to allow the trees to get more sun and space for diameter growth. I would agree with the above post and say that the soil is most likely the problem for the poor trees. Also keep an eye out for insects this time of year.
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    What can you do to "better" the soil Anything? or what I cut the weeds / grass near them have applied lime and 12-12-12 at some an dthat does little to better them. Just looking for ways to keep them going...

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks for the posts...

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    You could use a fertilizer to improve the nutrients in the soil. You can apply a herbicide like arsenal to kill the "junk" trees so there is less competition for water and nutrients. I would do the herbicide get a good kill then fertilizer. You could find a forester in your area that could help you a lot more than I can from GA. I am currently finishing my B.A.S in forestry and can tell you being familiar with the area helps a lot. I am happy to help as much as I can though.
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    Thanks I talked with some from the Federal Forest Service that is next to me and all he suggested was cut all the lower limbs off the pines. below 6 feet maybe even 10 ft was his idea. Yet they never do that to the same trees they have in the federal forest and they never have done that there either. They do either a vclear cut an area or a thinning but when they do a thinning they leave all the loimbs cut off and just pile them up and you cannot even walk the area after that and for about 4 to 5 years till the limbs are decomposing. On the properyy next to me they put in xmas trees and have lost many of them over the years about half in the last 18 years. The area once was a big xmas tree farming area now it has lost all that and is just vacant hunting property small parcels and then large pieces of Federal Forest.

    Thanks for the information Good Luck in your future Forestry Career. On another note is there any sheet type wood that porcupines won't eating. Seems they love anything thing that has pine or maybe the glue that is used for putting plywood together. I have a couple of box blinds and the porcupines trash them and I put wire mesh fencing over them but when you have to repaint them it takesa lot to remove the mesh and paint and then put the mesh back over it. Any thing beside using steel building sheets?

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    When the loggers leave here its pretty clean they do a good job with that actually makes pretty good huning .I dont really know about porcupines.
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    Well here they seem to change the way some companies log areas. Over the years they woudl always clean up all the limbs and stuff and then it seem to change about 2 years later when they did my area I got no notice from the Federals letting me know yet forf years if there was plans of doing anything in the area I would get something in the mail letteing me know and he roads were te first they would widen them and clear the limbs hanging so hey could get their big equipment in and then nothing for 2 years and then the parcel of Federal Forest next to mine was "thinned" and there was piles of limbs and stuff stack up except where they had to get the equipment out and once they did they had some driving back through these so they came in and cut a few trees to block off the areas so they could not get back there. But the piles of debris were still there for a long ytime and many move away from the area no longert hunting now 10 or so years later you can now walk thru and not have to walk around the piles. The Forest Service told me it would be gone in 2 maybe three years it was more like 7 or 8. But they have their policies to be polictically correct... They came out and claimed it would be all decomposed quickly I took issue with that and stated so but that was when the had budget cuts and now they rarely see anyone except when they are clearing paths for the horse trails anything else they are never around like they once were maybe ebacuse those that worked the area are no retired and other things like the lack of budget money and thei local office is a long way away.

    I contact some of the big wood companies and they told me you cannot do much against porcupines except kil them off. So anytime I see one it is doa...

    Thanks for your time and information...

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