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    Bitzenburger & Zenith Upgrade

    Some of you may have seen my other post about setting up a home shop (dream shop), I'm sure I'll be "making friends soon" but have some more questions and hoping to tap into some of the knowledge here. A lot of folks were recommending the Bitzen Fletching Jig.

    Here are my questions:

    1. Are there different models of the Bitzenburger Fletching Jigs? (I see it called the dial-o-fletch some places and just a Jig other places).

    2. What is the advantage of buying just the Jig without clamps?

    3. What is the Zenith Upgrade? (I've been trying to figure that out and think I have... i.e. it sets the nocking point and helps it rotate more accurately to fletch your arrows?)

    4. What helical should I go with? (I'm shooting 2" blazers right now and like them, it will be on a compound bow and I mainly just hunt... looking to get into 3d shoots soon).

    Thanks again for all your help guys.



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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc2220 View Post
    Some of you may have seen my other post about setting up a home shop (dream shop), I'm sure I'll be "making friends soon" but have some more questions and hoping to tap into some of the knowledge here. A lot of folks were recommending the Bitzen Fletching Jig.

    Here are my questions:

    1. Are there different models of the Bitzenburger Fletching Jigs? (I see it called the dial-o-fletch some places and just a Jig other places).

    2. What is the advantage of buying just the Jig without clamps?

    3. What is the Zenith Upgrade? (I've been trying to figure that out and think I have... i.e. it sets the nocking point and helps it rotate more accurately to fletch your arrows?)

    4. What helical should I go with? (I'm shooting 2" blazers right now and like them, it will be on a compound bow and I mainly just hunt... looking to get into 3d shoots soon).

    Thanks again for all your help guys.
    Hello usmc2220:

    Bitzenburger fletching jig is a metal frame, two magnets and a straight clamp.

    The upper and lower magnet are adjustable for projection.

    TOP DIAL controls how much the top magnet sticks out from the frame.
    BOTTOM dial controls how much the bottom magnet sticks out from the frame.

    For a 2 degree right offset,
    use the supplied straight clamp...

    leave the bottom dial at top dead center (there should be a tick mark on the frame)
    so that the back end of the clamp is at top dead center of the arrow shaft.

    Rotate the top dial a little bit right,
    so that the front of the BLAZER vane (2-inches long)
    is offset to the right by 1/16th inch, away from centerline.

    This works out to a 2 degree offset to the RIGHT.
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    Sooooooooooo,
    the Bitz nock receiver is basically
    a tiny coffee can (metal tube closed on one end)
    where a thin metal plate has been welded through the center of the tube.

    The plate is thin,
    to fit skinny nock grooves
    to fit medium nock grooves
    to fit wide nock grooves.

    Sooooooooo,
    when you click through each of the three vane positions....

    the nock can slide down the plate inside the nock receiver,
    and this will throw off the alignment of ONE of your vanes,
    and the vanes are no longer separately EQUALLY 120 degrees apart.
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    Bitzenburger & Zenith Upgrade

    I'm glad your not tired of me yet nuts&bolts,

    So I should get a straight clamp? I haven't got one yet but going to throw one on the Christmas list where it's a lesser expensive toy on the would like to get.

    Also do you know if I was right about what the zenith upgrade was?

    Aaron

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    Sooooooooooooo,
    Joe at Zenith Archery designed a NEW nock receiver
    that fits on the the Bitz fletching jig frame...
    and
    a new arrow shaft support plate.




    The Zenith Archery nock receiver upgrade
    is a simple precision POST design,
    that fits inside the arrow shaft

    or
    another post fits inside the Easton Unibushing (if you use the Easton G-nock)

    or another post fits inside the Easton Axis arrows.



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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc2220 View Post
    Some of you may have seen my other post about setting up a home shop (dream shop), I'm sure I'll be "making friends soon" but have some more questions and hoping to tap into some of the knowledge here. A lot of folks were recommending the Bitzen Fletching Jig.

    Here are my questions:

    1. Are there different models of the Bitzenburger Fletching Jigs? (I see it called the dial-o-fletch some places and just a Jig other places).

    2. What is the advantage of buying just the Jig without clamps?

    3. What is the Zenith Upgrade? (I've been trying to figure that out and think I have... i.e. it sets the nocking point and helps it rotate more accurately to fletch your arrows?)

    4. What helical should I go with? (I'm shooting 2" blazers right now and like them, it will be on a compound bow and I mainly just hunt... looking to get into 3d shoots soon).

    Thanks again for all your help guys.
    You need at least the straight clamp,
    to do a straight offset vane installation.


    You could purchase the right helical clamp,
    to do a right helical installation.

    With a helical clamp,
    you are BENDING the base of the vane
    around the curvature of the arrow shaft.

    Soooooooo,
    depending on the diameter of the arrow shaft...

    the helical clamp,
    which is curved on the bottom of the clamp (only the corners of the clamp touch a tabletop....center portion of the clamp arc up away from the table top)
    will ONLY contact the curvature of the arrow shaft,
    at ONE particular angle setting.

    If you angle the clamp too much on the Bitz frame,
    only the CENTER of the clamp is in contact with the arrow shaft.

    If you do not angle the clamp enough on the Bitz frame,
    then only the ENDS of the clamp are in contact with the arrow shaft
    and the CENTER of the clamp will not touch the arrow shaft.

    Gotta play with the two dials on the Bitz jig frame...

    for a RIGHT helical clamp,
    rotate the top dial clockwise

    and
    rotate the bottom dial to top dead center
    or slightly LEFT of top dead center (counter-clockwise).
    www.nutsandboltsarchery.com
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    alanlui@comcast.net

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    Thanks,

    That's quite a bit I'm sure ill over complicate as I try to decide. I guess my arrows were "straight" as the blazers arent curved to an angle on the shaft. I'm guessing that's to put a spin on the arrow to stabilize it in flight like the rate of twist from a rifle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc2220 View Post
    Thanks,

    That's quite a bit I'm sure ill over complicate as I try to decide. I guess my arrows were "straight" as the blazers arent curved to an angle on the shaft. I'm guessing that's to put a spin on the arrow to stabilize it in flight like the rate of twist from a rifle?
    Yes.

    The straight clamp does exactly that,
    installs the base of the Blazers in a straight line,
    so
    with 2 degrees of offset,
    only 1/16th inch away from centerline for the FRONT of the vane...

    and

    back end of the vane, on top of centerline...
    a straight clamp works just fine.


    A helical clamp installation
    for a 4-inch long vane,
    then...

    the curvature becomes really obvious,
    around say a 0.246 inch diameter arrow,
    like the GoldTip XT Hunter 7595.

    The curvature of the arrow is large.
    The vane is long.

    The vane will curve around the curvature of the arrow shaft like a propellor on a boat.
    Looks like a corkscrew.

    HUGE amount of stabilizing power,
    exactly like the rifling inside a barrel for your rifle.
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    Sounds like a straight (all things being equal) would be more repeatable, however right or left helical would provide more stabalizing for further shots (assuming this is big with target shooters) with proper arrow tuning after your bow is tuned. I think I'll go with straight for now because it looks like the option to buy helical clamps afterwards is there. Thanks again Nuts&Bolts

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    Bitzenburger & Zenith Upgrade

    Ok after digging a bit deeper I'm thinking helical now. With the quick dry glues today is it necessary to have more than 1 fletching jig as you'll just apply glue, wait a minute, rotate and continue?

    Also would it be better to use a slow drying glue as you could check the fletching contacts on a helical vs a fast drying you'd have to shave it off and restart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc2220 View Post
    Ok after digging a bit deeper I'm thinking helical now. With the quick dry glues today is it necessary to have more than 1 fletching jig as you'll just apply glue, wait a minute, rotate and continue?

    Also would it be better to use a slow drying glue as you could check the fletching contacts on a helical vs a fast drying you'd have to shave it off and restart?
    NO need for more than one clamp for the home shop.

    You put the vane DRY into the clamp,
    and you do a dry fit test
    working the top and bottom dial
    to get ZERO light between the base of the vane
    and the arrow shaft.

    GOTTA experiment with the dial settings,
    RIGHT helical clamp,
    work the top dial clockwise
    and
    try the bottom dial at top dead center
    or a tiny bit left of top dead center.

    With BLAZER vanes, cuz they are only 2-inches long,
    you can try bottom dial at top dead center
    and only work the TOP dial clockwise
    to try and get a solid fit.

    NO glue.
    Dry fit testing with the vane in the clamp.

    When you are satisfied with the fit,
    then,
    pull the clamp off the magnets
    and set the clamp upside down on your workbench,
    and the clamp will self stand.

    Apply your LocTite Super Glue
    (thin bead onto the base of the vane)
    and then if you have a glossy magazine cover..

    press the wet vane base quickly onto the glossy magazine cover
    to make a thin film (the excess stays on the glossy magazine cover)
    and then,
    quickly apply the clamp to the magnet,
    leaving a gap
    between the vane base and the arrow shaft.

    SLIDE the clamp backwards so the end of the clamp hits the frame of the jig
    and now push the clamp down onto the arrow shaft.

    I use a shapie pen to make a mark on the clamp
    so I always line up the end of the vane
    to a particular hash mark on the jig clamp.
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    That makes more sense on a "dry run". Thanks a lot for making the nuts and bolts of archery, I printed out a copy to create a work bench folder and its going in document protectors in a 3 ring tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuts&bolts View Post
    .....
    If you angle the clamp too much on the Bitz frame,
    only the CENTER of the clamp is in contact with the arrow shaft.

    If you do not angle the clamp enough on the Bitz frame,
    then only the ENDS of the clamp are in contact with the arrow shaft
    and the CENTER of the clamp will not touch the arrow shaft.

    Gotta play with the two dials on the Bitz jig frame...

    for a RIGHT helical clamp,
    rotate the top dial clockwise

    and
    rotate the bottom dial to top dead center
    or slightly LEFT of top dead center (counter-clockwise).
    Several days ago, I've ordered my first fletching jig - Bitz with Right heli clamp. Yesterday I got it. Nice, but I found the clamp touches shaft nicely at the both ends, but there is small gap in the center. Huh? I became little bit nervous …. started to "google" what's going on. Yes, I found perfect answer. Author ? As usual - Nuts&bolts …. detailed explanation what to do and how to fix it …. Alan, you are the man! Thank you again

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    have the zenith upgrade and it definitely helps you get a very accurate fletch, with regular nock receiver they can move some. well worth it
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    I have six Bitz jigs in my shop and have upgraded ALL of them to the Zenith Upgrade kit. Best thing I ever did!
    You cannot beat the info that Nuts&bolts provides. Alan is spot on every time.
    Sounds like you are just getting started and if you want to start the easy way I would suggest going with the straight clamp. You can do an offset to get more spin and it is easier to set up.
    I use the straight clamps for the shorter vanes and will offset them.
    Now if you are using feathers then I would recommend Helical clamps, Left and or Right depending on what feathers you order. YES, the feathers are cut with a right or left cant to them so be sure you get the right ones!
    Also, I tried the fletching tape for the first time and I really like it!!!
    Have fun and it is addicting.
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    Hey, for all on this post, i really appreciate all your contribution, now i understand much better the fletching issue and the bitzenberger importance.
    Again thanks to all

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