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    Firenock PAPS patent awarded, and received

    Firenock PAPS patent awarded, and received
    * * The Professional Arrow Preparation System (PAPS, US Pat. 9,046,452) by Firenock LLC is the ultimate arrow preparation tool as we got our patent awarded.* With PAPS, you can easily locate the initial bending point of the arrow without subjective judgment.* Why is locating the bending point important to archers?* If you can locate the initial bending direction, you will know how the arrow flexes while making contacts with the arrow rest; and you can use the bending direction as a reference point for your fletching.* Accuracy is enhanced and you will be confident that your arrows will fly and behave the same each time as long as your set up is correct.*


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    How is yours different enough from previous spine testers to get a patent on it?
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    I beginning to believe that "target panic" is another name for "form flaw and I'm too stubborn to get a good coach to help me."

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    It is not a spine tester, but the first bend locator which indicate which direction of the arrow will bend when under pressure which IMHO is the most important thing. Finding the high and low spine of an arrow do not mean anything which only matter after the arrow is in air. With which you have no control! What you have control is how the arrow interact with the arrow rest when launch. That my friend is a what PAPS is all about!
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    Maker of Firenock®, Aerovane®, Aerovane Jig, iBowSight™, AeroRest™, APS (Arrow Preparation System), AeroPoint™ with FACT(Firenock Arrow Concentric Technology), AeroInsert™, AeroOutsert™, AeroBolt™, AeroBushing™, Aero Concept Target System, and Hydro® systems.

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    I made one of those out of 3 bearings and a couple chunks of 2x4.

    http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2214981

    I use 2 bearings in the chunk of 2x4 and one on the other end of the shaft. Push the other end against a block, or scale like I have in that thread, and it'll rotate the shaft so the weak side is in the concavity of the arrow bend.

    If I were to put a bearing on each end of the shaft and then push down on the middle of the shaft with 2 more bearings, it looks like it would be similar to this machine although not as nicely made I'm sure.
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    Nice home made set up!

    What I wanted is a little more refined. I have to custom built the ball bearing that has a crown and be no less than ABEC#5 with no center hole so there is no tolerance issue. To make the perfect direct force over it 3 ABEC#5 linear bearing was used! Not to mention custom track. To handle more than one size arrow is not easy, so is different arrow length. The fact remains, carbon arrow's first directional bend is totally base on length... which means you are actually dealing a carbon rod of compound helix spine! That is why I make mine to find the first direction bend of a specific length carbon rod.
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    Maker of Firenock®, Aerovane®, Aerovane Jig, iBowSight™, AeroRest™, APS (Arrow Preparation System), AeroPoint™ with FACT(Firenock Arrow Concentric Technology), AeroInsert™, AeroOutsert™, AeroBolt™, AeroBushing™, Aero Concept Target System, and Hydro® systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firenock View Post
    Nice home made set up!

    What I wanted is a little more refined. I have to custom built the ball bearing that has a crown and be no less than ABEC#5 with no center hole so there is no tolerance issue. To make the perfect direct force over it 3 ABEC#5 linear bearing was used! Not to mention custom track. To handle more than one size arrow is not easy, so is different arrow length. The fact remains, carbon arrow's first directional bend is totally base on length... which means you are actually dealing a carbon rod of compound helix spine! That is why I make mine to find the first direction bend of a specific length carbon rod.
    Haha, it's functional but I don't know if I'd call it nice.

    That's interesting. I just got a dozen new shafts last night. I'll have to test before I cut them and then again after I cut them to see if I find a difference.
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    As long you are dealing with the same section/length, there will be no difference. If you spread the ball bearings and/or narrow them, they will. That is the nature of a wrap base, or extruded carbon tube!

    This will be a fun test. Imagine the arrow into 3 sections, and each section would be no shorter than half the length of the arrow . You will see that just by testing the arrow in each section, the index marking will change! For example, if you use the 1-20" for the first section, 6-21" for the 2nd section, and 12 -32" for the 3rd section, the index points can varies. Some times as much as 45 degree between the 3!
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    Maker of Firenock®, Aerovane®, Aerovane Jig, iBowSight™, AeroRest™, APS (Arrow Preparation System), AeroPoint™ with FACT(Firenock Arrow Concentric Technology), AeroInsert™, AeroOutsert™, AeroBolt™, AeroBushing™, Aero Concept Target System, and Hydro® systems.

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    Congrats again Dorge! One of these days I want to get my hands on one of the PAPS.
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    And now the most important question...What's it gonna cost?
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    The price has not change. As stated n my web store. Starts at $374.95
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    Maker of Firenock®, Aerovane®, Aerovane Jig, iBowSight™, AeroRest™, APS (Arrow Preparation System), AeroPoint™ with FACT(Firenock Arrow Concentric Technology), AeroInsert™, AeroOutsert™, AeroBolt™, AeroBushing™, Aero Concept Target System, and Hydro® systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firenock View Post
    Nice home made set up!

    What I wanted is a little more refined. I have to custom built the ball bearing that has a crown and be no less than ABEC#5 with no center hole so there is no tolerance issue. To make the perfect direct force over it 3 ABEC#5 linear bearing was used! Not to mention custom track. To handle more than one size arrow is not easy, so is different arrow length. The fact remains, carbon arrow's first directional bend is totally base on length... which means you are actually dealing a carbon rod of compound helix spine! That is why I make mine to find the first direction bend of a specific length carbon rod.
    ^^THIS ^^ is something that I always wondered about, and had in the back of my mind since I came back to Archery (with carbon arrows now being the "norm" rather than over-expensive "toys" for the well-heeled, as they were when I left Archery). Examining uncoated arrows closely, following the "grain" of many and the tooling-marks, it was obvious that the arrow shaft does NOT come out of the pultrusion/extrusion die "arrow straight" so to speak, but with a well-defined and consistent "spiral" to it (for SOME brands, anyway). It only stood to reason to me that, where the arrow would bend could change if the length of the shaft was changed.

    I am quite interested in this, and have actively watched the many "Spine Threads" here for some clue to this. I may have missed it in others, but this is the first post I have seen that somewhat bears-out what I have had slowly churning within my brainpan.....
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    I watched this system in real time at Jeff's Performance Archery,while we were setting up my Nitrum 34.I watched in amazement as my brand new CXL Pro shafts were rolled on the PAPS system.Finding the bend on the shafts was easy.Actually finding multiple bends on one shaft was astonishing.I would have never known it if it weren't for this system.That one shaft is now in my "ownly if I destroy all my other shafts" pile,LOL I knew right then I had to get one of Dorge's systems for myself.I dug deep and bought one for myself.I am in the process of going through all my shafts with absolute assurance of the correct bends that appear.
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    Bet the Sheik will need a couple of these Dorge. Nice!
    Congratulations on the patient.
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    Congrats my friend you deserve it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdhandman View Post
    Bet the Sheik will need a couple of these Dorge. Nice!
    Congratulations on the patient.
    HaHaHA....He is one of the first who actually got on in Dubai, UAE. he got one when it was announced last year...
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    Maker of Firenock®, Aerovane®, Aerovane Jig, iBowSight™, AeroRest™, APS (Arrow Preparation System), AeroPoint™ with FACT(Firenock Arrow Concentric Technology), AeroInsert™, AeroOutsert™, AeroBolt™, AeroBushing™, Aero Concept Target System, and Hydro® systems.

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    Dorge: you ought to ask the sheik to partner up with you. His money, your brains would be unbeatable.
    If not ask him if he would like to dabble in Third Hand Archery. lol
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    Cant you just put raw shafts i a tub of water and mark the top side that floats?

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    That has absolutely no effect on carbon arrow as the carbon and resin weight and density ratio has no relationship with dynamic first bending of the carbon shaft. For aluminum arrow the water method do work, to a certain extend.
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    Maker of Firenock®, Aerovane®, Aerovane Jig, iBowSight™, AeroRest™, APS (Arrow Preparation System), AeroPoint™ with FACT(Firenock Arrow Concentric Technology), AeroInsert™, AeroOutsert™, AeroBolt™, AeroBushing™, Aero Concept Target System, and Hydro® systems.

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