For those who may be interested I have revised the much posted PP slide of the cam & 1/2 draw stop timing. I hope this addition will be easier to understand...
posting the other information in the thread as well... Hope this helps...
Hybrid Cam Sync & Timing
By Mike Javi.... Cooper
The timing system on the hybrid cams is somewhat different from other systems.
The cams need to be in synchronization and in draw stop timing; these are two entirely different issues but interconnected. It is possible to have the cams in sync, but not in time and visa versa.
The string is for all practical purposes, just along for the ride, the buss cable (yoke) controls the bow, and it is used to set the axle to axle (limb) preload and takes most of the weight of the limb deflection at full draw. The control cable (slave) ties the two cams together so that they rotate at the required speeds.
The reference marks or holes (depending on the cam) are there to provide a visual reference to cam synchronization not draw stop timing. I find that tiller is a more precise indicator of cam sync; if the limbs are bottomed out the tiller will reflect the position of the cams better than the reference holes (marks).
To adjust the cams, I back the string off until I’m sure it isn’t affecting the axle to axle (usually ten twists will do) then adjust the buss cable to bring the axle to axle measurement to a ¼” longer than the specifications for that particular cam/limb combination (see Hoyt tune charts). The control cable should be used to sync the rotation of the cams while doing this. If the cams are in sync at this point the reference holes will be equidistance from their respective cables and the tiller will be even (limbs bottomed out).
Now is the time to adjust the draw stop timing, using a draw board or similar device (you can draw the bow and have someone else look at the cams) when the bottom cam’s draw stop is just touching the buss cable, the control cable should lay flat in the groove of the top cam. If the cam is under rotated you can put a twist in the buss or untwist the control, I determine which I do by the draw weight and draw length of the bow. Shortening the buss cable will lengthen the draw and increase the draw weight. Shortening the control cable will decrease the draw length and decrease the draw weight.
At this point, I measure the draw length (using AMO standards); it should be long and the draw weight should be higher than spec for the bow. I will then twist the string to bring the draw length to spec; this should also bring the draw weight and axle to axle into spec.
I double check everything and tweak a half twist here or there to fine tune it.
Finally I use the hybrid cam creep tuning method to set the bow to my shooting style.
If you follow this method you will have a very solid wall and the bow will be practically vibration free.
A note: the regular cam & ½ should be tuned in the “D” draw length slot for best performance. You can then set the module to your required DL and tweak the DL using the string.
If the Hoyt chart says "C" then use "C", however I find most use "D" instead...yelk hunter said:I have to get a new string after season and have one question -
You state that it should be tuned in the D slot yet all the Hoyt chart measurements are for C slot.
So, before I back off the string to measure AtoA +1/4, do I set it in the C slot or the D slot?
Thanks.
draw module settings do not change axle to axle, do thay?JAVI said:If the Hoyt chart says "C" then use "C", however I find most use "D" instead...
No... but they do change the timing (slightly); and draw length.HANK120X said:draw module settings do not change axle to axle, do thay?
How can you set the modules to the required DL? I thought that by changing the slot (ABCDEF) that this was what controlled your DL. So what are you talking about in that last sentence?A note: the regular cam & ½ should be tuned in the “D” draw length slot for best performance. You can then set the module to your required DL and tweak the DL using the string
The measurments for the Hoyt regular cam 1/2 i.e draw weight, axle to axle, and brace height are taken in either "C" or "D" slot... while the change isn't significant there are differences so I recommend that you "use" the slot as deginated by Hoyt (example: http://www.hoyt.com/technical/charts.tpl?page=04_ultratec.inc 2004 UltraTec w/XT2000 limbs is spec'ed to be in "D" slot of the module). Once you have the bow set to all specs and the cams in time and sync, then you change the module to the corrct draw length for you...shoff14 said:Javi,
Got a question for you that I don't understand
How can you set the modules to the required DL? I thought that by changing the slot (ABCDEF) that this was what controlled your DL. So what are you talking about in that last sentence?
Agreed!we should all read this one from time to time......an absolutely awesome post by Javi. Perhaps this is the best single post ever on AT.
J
With the exception of the adjustable draw module both of the Hoyt cam & 1/2 tune exactly the same...Steamin said:Javi,
I know that this post is about the cam & 1/2, but do you have anything on the Spiral Cam?
What ever you have is appreciated, if not thanks anyway.
Steamin