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    99% Let Off Bows - What's your thought's?

    Maybe these have been around for a while. I seen one at the PA Bowhunter Festival this past weekend. Cool concept. I drew a bow back, and it wouldn't go down even after I let up on it. You literally had to push the string back down. Anyone else see these or try them? What are your thoughts on them? Is this the direction to go for hunting bows? I'm sure it would be tougher to get a back tension release to fire being that it is 99% let off.

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    99% let off is NOT what any archers form needs. We would all be better with 60% over 99.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasCanesFan View Post
    99% let off is NOT what any archers form needs. We would all be better with 60% over 99.
    Can you go into detail of what you mean? Like I said, I drew one back and it was weird to me. It was of course very easy to hold back, but I did not shoot it, just drew it back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasCanesFan View Post
    99% let off is NOT what any archers form needs. We would all be better with 60% over 99.
    Yep! I like 65-70%even shooting a 80% let off is a pain, just way too much of a dump into the valley
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    A 99% let off bow would simply be unshootable.

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    At 99% you could creep 3'' and never know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoHunter0210 View Post
    Can you go into detail of what you mean? Like I said, I drew one back and it was weird to me. It was of course very easy to hold back, but I did not shoot it, just drew it back.
    The push-pull of less let off keeps you honest and doesn't really allow your form to fall apart. Holding the weight 16-18# for me feels the best and is the most accurate.

    If I shoot a newer Elite with the stops all the way open and 6#s of holding weight I can't hit a d@mn thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoHunter0210 View Post
    Can you go into detail of what you mean? Like I said, I drew one back and it was weird to me. It was of course very easy to hold back, but I did not shoot it, just drew it back.
    when you have a bow that releases that much, there is a "dump" into the valley. You are pulling through and then there is nothing to pull against. The transitions are drastic. You end up altering the way you draw and way you anchor. With that much let off, if you creep into the valley for whatever reason the bow wants to lunge forward and 9out of 10 times punch the trigger.

    I end up drawing back and when it transitions I will "bounce" (if you will) off the back wall back into the power stroke of the bow.

    It's weird, awkward and uncomfortable. you end up paying way too much attention to drawing the bow than a person should
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog gigger View Post
    At 99% you could creep 3'' and never know it.
    I don't know if you could creep. It was odd to say the least. I seriously let down, and it did not move. I had to force my draw hand forward to get it to go down.
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    There must be a market for these. My guess is it appeals to people who can't hold the 15-20 pounds back. For instance someone with bad sholders etc. Thanks for the comments, great discussion.
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    I just dig into the wall and never pay any attention to let off.
    I pull into the back wall the same on all the bows I shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmanastronomy View Post
    I just dig into the wall and never pay any attention to let off.
    I pull into the back wall the same on all the bows I shoot.
    It's not the pulling into the wall that's the problem for me. It's the slam into the back wall at letoff.

    I really like the Invasion, that bow is so fast, so quiet,so shock free. The DC is just hard to get used to compared to my Maitland
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoHunter0210 View Post
    I don't know if you could creep. It was odd to say the least. I seriously let down, and it did not move. I had to force my draw hand forward to get it to go down.
    I'm not sure how that is possible? If you tried to let down and it didn't move the string would slack.

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    I did get to shoot one a few years back. Yes, it was a little different and harder to get used to. Seemed like you had to aim for so long after release. It reminded me of shooting a blackpowder rifle and having the pause between cap and powder. They are a hunting bow, not designed to be a target bow (at least back than). Many times I have had standoffs with deer at full draw and wished I had that much let off.

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    The recurve and traditional shooters already hate us. What are they gonna say when we start shooting 99 and 100% let off.

    Plus there is a reason all the pros shoot 60%. It's a nice concept but I don't think many people would buy it.

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    2 years ago I had a Monster Phoenix. (not a Mathews Monster) you could adjust the let off to the point where it was 100% let-off.


    If you drew those at 100% let-off, the bow would lock up at full draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainehunt View Post
    2 years ago I had a Monster Phoenix. (not a Mathews Monster) you could adjust the let off to the point where it was 100% let-off.


    If you drew those at 100% let-off, the bow would lock up at full draw.
    That's kind of what it felt like. Like it was locked up at full draw. I would like to shoot one to see if there is a delay in the string coming forward. Felt very weird in my hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sa-shooter View Post
    The recurve and traditional shooters already hate us. What are they gonna say when we start shooting 99 and 100% let off.

    Plus there is a reason all the pros shoot 60%. It's a nice concept but I don't think many people would buy it.

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    Target bows have sights with magnifying lenses in them, surely a 99% let off bow will not draw the ultimate wrath of the traditional shooter upon us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomd922 View Post
    I'm not sure how that is possible? If you tried to let down and it didn't move the string would slack.
    When I say let down, to me pulling 65 lbs at 75% let off I'm holding 16 lbs. If I let down just a little my string, limbs, and cams come forward. With this thing I could hold it with less than one pound if it truly was 99% let off. Say 70 lbs at 99% let off means I'm holding .70 lbs. It was definitely funny feeling.
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    The 2011 and 2012 Prime #6 cams had their limb stops slots in the wrong
    position and if you ran them to full let-off you were getting close to 94%
    and that was SCARY as HELL. I swear I had slack in the string a couple
    times before the arrow took off. I move the stops back to mid way in the
    slot and the bow shot great. Only the #6 cams had the issue.

    The new Elite Hunter is about 90% and it was VERY uncomfortable as well.

    NO WAY I would ever draw back a 99% let off bow.
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    I wish my Destroyer 350 had 65% let off instead of the 80%. Before I bought it, I was searching for a Specialist just because it came in 65% setting.
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    I drew the same bow back at the PA Bow Festival and it was awful! No wall and it felt like you had to push the string back down like Bohunter0210 said. I have no interest in that bow what so ever after drawing it back!
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    Also, how much let off do you really need? I have a bow with a 75% letoff and even at 70#, it feels like I am holding no weight whatsoever.
    With a bad shoulder, the peak weight will limit you, not the holding weight. Even if you had to hold the bow at full draw for a minute or even longer, keeping tension on the bow (drawing into the wall) and especially just keeping your arms up will be harder than holding the ~15-20# holding weight of your bow.
    I don't see how 99% holding weight would be an advantage in any situation.

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    i'd love one....I could shoot a 1000 lb. bow and only hold 10 lbs!........you choose your bow by the let-off, right?????

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    99% is OK, but 100% (crossbow) is bad?
    As least according to some.

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