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Defining "Target Archery" as it relates to this forum.

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#1 ·
OK gang, it's been a couple of months now, and we are starting to see where this forum is going.
I'd like a little input and POLITE debate as to what "Target Archery" means to you, keeping the basic rules in the "Sticky" post in mind.
I'll go first:

What target archery is:
Questions relating to COMPETITIVE target archery
How to improve your game...physically, and mentally.
Equipment only as how it relates to competitive archery shooting. i.e. Converting from a hinge to a trigger when shooting in the wind. NOT "whats a better release brand X or brand z?" "What is a good set-up for field and 3-D" NOT "what brand of arrows do you like?"
What preparations do you do before a shoot?
How do you maximize your practice routine for the best results

What it is not:
A place to promote 1 brand over another or trashing a brand of anything. "What bow,arrow,rest,release etc should I buy?"
A place to discuss basic archery skills "how's my form?"
Pics of pretty bows, for the sake of looking at pretty bows.
My brand X isn't working right...how do I fix it.
My arrows don't fly right, how do I tune my bow

This is NOT a complete list.

We need to slim down the definition of what "Target Archery" is in relation to general archery. One can argue that ALL archery is target as your aiming at some form of target to hit with an arrow. That's NOT what we want here. I think by "Target" we mean competitive archery games, and questions that pertain to that specifically.

Whats YOUR view?
 
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#2 ·
I'm with you 100% on this, Mahly!!

We desperately need to trim the fat here and one way to do it may be to not provide answers the how to, basic skills, and related questions, but immediately redirect them to the appropriate forums.

Also, masking posts as "new to target" or "my new target set up" just to have the word "target" in the thread, but then go on to ask some general question should also be left unanswered and redirected to the proper forum.
 
#3 ·
Seems we are pretty much in agreement.... Getting some posts/threads removed has been slow. I see the Hoyt Frankenstein bow is still with us and I noted such in my reply and reported it. I have ignored the arrow request questions, but just because you change bows and you can't figure out what arrow to use?

And it won't be easy re-learning ourselves. I mean, we've been replying to so many other forums and we get caught off guard here.
 
#5 ·
Agreed, I was sucked into the franken bow thread and am thankful you shook me back into reality... I should not have responded in it...
 
#4 ·
I will be getting a bit more active moving things out of this form,
Some I have made comments letting people know that they should direct these types of questions to General archery...but left them here so others can see my comment.
Some older posts I'm just leaving along as they are basically dead.
Moving a thread isn't taken very lightly, and I want to do as much as possible to prevent new threads that don't belong instead of moving a lot of threads.

Keep 'em coming people!
 
#14 ·
So what arrows do I shoot with my current form (see pic) and which broadhead should I shoot? Does this Shooter shirt make me look skinnier?
 
#16 ·
I believe I understand where you want this forum to go, but as long as it's titled Target Archery, you'll be spending most of your time policing it's vaguely defined parameters. The problem is everyone that shoots thinks they are shooting at a target, and that qualifies their question/poll/rant/op-ed/etc . . . as belonging in this forum. You'll politely suggest they post elsewhere and they'll say you have an attitude - what happened to "Archers helping archers?" Slam.

It reminds me of the quote by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart when he described his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964). Justice Stewart said, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."

So, while we know it when we see it, a lot of people haven't and won't. If the intent is to keep the discussion at a higher level than fundamental archery/equipment streams of thought, then consider renaming this forum Advanced Archery Techniques, or the like. Leave Target out of it. Casual archers in search of the best drop away rest will will pass it by like a Varsity Linebacker walking past the Latin Club open house.
 
#19 ·
Excellent points, I would just like to say that it isn't just what I want as someone posting/reading here... It's what the those who asked for this forum, and all others that can find use for it.

Trying to narrow the definition a little bit.
 
#17 ·
I quit looking at the "target" form because of all the non-target specific threads such as these. Though there can be an argument that might possibly be related to target archery, I don't see how they're not more "general" related.

just because the target face is a spot- doesn't make the question "target" archery- for example, one of these is a guy asking for a string stop...general or brand specific.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2237289
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2235825
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2237105
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2235451
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2236359
 
#21 ·
Also, please everyone note. We wanted this to be at least somewhat a self policed forum.
If you have an issue with a thread, let the poster know, or at least alert me or another mod so we can look at it and decide if movement is in order.
 
#23 ·
exactly my point, and a point others made in the thread that started this. Just because it might possibly apply to target archery, doesn't make it approprate for the intent of this forum.

What we need is exactly what you mention- self policing....

just ask this quesion- can this question apply to back yard shooting, hunting? if so, don't respond to the posting- simply say, please have this placed in proper forum, general, 3D, FITA


It seems most have lost interest for the original intent. Perhaps it will pick back up when indoor season gets going again.
I believe most have lost interest because of the direction it has gone.


a rename would be wise....sure would clear up some confusion.

people lost intent because of the direction it went
 
#24 ·
I actually came into this this sub forum as a long time bow Hunter that just finished the build on a brand new target dedicated bow with the hopes of learning. I wasnt aware I was entering the elitist corner of you don't belong here's. Last time I make that mistake.

You may actually want to consider re naming the sub forum like was started above, It's the only way you will help keep undesirable newer competitive shooters like me out.
 
#26 ·
To my understanding, this isn't meant to be an elitist corner of you don't belong here, nor are you an "undesirable".

There is a LOT that can be learned here from anyone. And you certainly have every right to post here. Provided it is target (and I read that as meaning competition).

I don't think we want to restrict it so far that we only end up with 1 post a week. But we don't want to start another general archery forum... We already have one of those.

Tell us what YOU think the target only forum should be.
 
#25 ·
The nice part about the at forum is the availability of information..
The hard part is the sorting out the good from the bad information.
Most threads go of track eventually.
I think it is hard to limit the questions , or input into the forums..
I know I'm not a target expert, so i wouldn't start a thread there, but , some people become self proclaimed experts rather quickly..
In other instances, in our search for information, we all ask questions, we all make mistakes. I'm sure that there will always be some questions that seem appropriate to some, but not to others. Cause you just don't know what you don't know..
I think it sounds like a great idea. A place where a lot can be learned..
I think it will be difficult to keep it an elite thing for elite archers..
If it is successful it will be a great place to learn.
 
#27 ·
There is also a "pro" sub-forum for the "elites".

If a topic gets off track, it's not the end of the world, as long as it started out as a target discussion, and didn't get too far off topic.

Also, you don't need to be an expert to ask a question... If you were an expert, you wouldn't have as many questions anyway.
As long as the question/thread is target archery specific, it's welcome here.

Were just trying to define what target archery IS? Everyone sends arrows at a target... Perhaps a name change to competitive target archery, or advanced target archery is prudent.

Before we get there we need to know exactly what we want to do here.

I think equipment topics can fit in here, but not brand specific.
 
#30 ·
I think most lost interest for the reasons stated earlier.. The level of discussion people what is lacking and many of those who do know what they are doing are being very reserved if they participate at all. The "pro" forum is kinda worthless seeing as anything in it gets pulled...
 
#33 ·
I spoke with an Admin, and was told we can change the name. As BlueX suggested, I would like to keep it inviting to most but still narrow the focus.

My personal suggestion would be "advanced target archery".

Too vague? I thought of "advanced archery techniques" as was suggested, but I think that might be too restrictive.


What is the most fitting name that keeps the forum inviting, yet clarifies what we are trying to do here... Post your ideas.
 
#35 ·
I spoke with an Admin, and was told we can change the name. As BlueX suggested, I would like to keep it inviting to most but still narrow the focus.

My personal suggestion would be "advanced target archery".

Too vague? I thought of "advanced archery techniques" as was suggested, but I think that might be too restrictive.

What is the most fitting name that keeps the forum inviting, yet clarifies what we are trying to do here... Post your ideas.
So that all forms of target archery are still covered, but the overly-broad word "target" is removed, let's consider a spin off of Praeger's suggestion and call it something like "Advanced Archery Forum".
 
#43 ·
I would love to see this. What everyone is saying is that they want an advanced section. A "beyond the nuts&bolts" section. Getting into the little things that until one understands the general set-up and shot execution, wouldn't even think about. Such as taking two bathroom scales and putting one under each foot and shooting and trying to find an ideal weight distribution. Which is probably a bad example but it would be interesting to see what the majority shoots best with. The point is NOT to TEACH like nutz&boltz and others but to actually DISCUSS the fine details.
 
#44 ·
I was the one that started the "standing up straight" thread, and there were a few reasons why.

1- I didn't need 500 posts telling my too lower my draw weight, shorten my DL by 15", or the "wait for n&b".

2- I spent a lot of time in genpop getting my form to where it is and wasn't going to gain much posting there.

3- I wanted tips and advice from seasoned competitive shooters.

I ended up with some good advice and possibly setup some coaching this summer thanks to that threadd. That said, I will try to keep my threads more on topic in the future.
 
#46 ·
Wasnt anything wrong with your thread. ill answer a man that put in the work you did all day long.Your form is perfect other than that that little issue of leaning back. Dont you dare be afraid to post a question about improving your life thru archery. Thats what mahly has been working on, a place just for you to ask good quality questions aboutr improving your scores and life.

You have done no wrong, this is your forum.



Blue X
 
#47 ·
I think we're going too run out of room if we go too long LOL!!!

Love the input! I would think that this would be below the "pros" but beyond most beginners... Intermediate??? Yeah, makes sense, but I think there would be enough overlap both ways that we would welcome "intermediate" questions anyway. Perhaps use intermediate in part of the description sticky... Like "a forum for intermediate to advanced topics discussing competition archery" or something some wordsmith can put together better than I.
 
#51 ·
Thanks Blue X.

I'd like to see this form be somewhere intermediate archers can come to get help and try to share opinions without having to wade through the BS in general. I also posted a thread about blade rests vs dropaways. But again I wasn't looking for "just get a QAD" or "lim driver for lyfe yooo", I was looking for valid opinions from people that have used them for more than just shooting in their back yard.

I'm planning to join a league for my first time this winter so I come hear for the knowledge of the more advanced. The threads in here seem to be very helpful and for the most part stay on track. I think it's a great place.
 
#56 ·
I'd like to see this form be somewhere intermediate archers can come to get help and try to share opinions without having to wade through the BS in general. I also posted a thread about blade rests vs dropaways.
I believe that is what we all are searching for, with this forum. But to clarify, the blade vs drop away thread should have gone into General. At the intermediate competitive level, you should already have a very good working idea of the pros and cons of each rest type on the market.
 
#52 ·
As a new shooter (take a look at my post count), I'm not sure how much weight my opinion holds but my "kind" is probably where you'll have the most issues with posting in the wrong forum. I would assume target archery is related to shooting paper targets. This allows for lots of overlap, and there will be. I am actually getting close enough to a point where I think I'll be able to compete locally and not completely embarass myself so I'm sure I'll be roaming the Target forum shortly. A Target Archery subforum is where I'd look for discussions on rules, upcoming shoots, techniques, equipment, classes, branches or associations, results, sight compensation/adjustment for shooting off center targets, basically anything target related as there is no Beginner Target forum if this is renamed to encompass only Advanced Competitive Archery. It's not a place I'd look for advice or discussions on how to tune equipment, or anything hunting related, but it is a place I'd expect to be okay to ask a question about my "hunting setup" doing x instead of y while shooting competitively because I only own one bow and want to dip my toes in the water of competitive archery.

I understand the 3D forum was separated from the Target Archery forum to separate the disciplines, but why entirely different subforums? One is in ArcheryTalk forums the other in Miscellaneous forums. It seems counter-intuitive and may cause some posts to be posted in the wrong subforum. If this becomes the Advanced Competitive Archery subforum, will there be a Basic Competitive Archery subforum for beginners looking to read discussions about the basic elements of target archery? In other words, where would I find basic information on target archery? I assumed the Pro Target Archery subforum was where advanced topics and discussions on getting paid to shoot would be. Just 2 cents from the outside.
 
#57 ·
A Target Archery subforum is where I'd look for discussions on rules, upcoming shoots, techniques, equipment, classes, branches or associations, results, sight compensation/adjustment for shooting off center targets, basically anything target related as there is no Beginner Target forum if this is renamed to encompass only Advanced Competitive Archery.
These types of topics are already discussed in General Archery and have been for many, many years. That is where I got a lot of my initial information. No reason you cannot do the same until you have some time under your belt? :smile:
 
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