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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Duke View Post
    You havta ... spend more than a buck & a quarter a drink to get into the better bars... LOL
    Well there's my problem. The issue is my PBR budget

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    Heh. PBR got trendy here for a while; all the hipsters were trying to be ironic by drinking it. My wife likes to make fun of me for drinking Special Export. Hey, I grew up in LaCrosse when it was still brewed there, so can you blame me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekkie View Post
    Heh. PBR got trendy here for a while; all the hipsters were trying to be ironic by drinking it. My wife likes to make fun of me for drinking Special Export. Hey, I grew up in LaCrosse when it was still brewed there, so can you blame me?

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    Not a dang thang wrong with PBR.....not necessarily my favorite but it's cheap and tastes fine. And I believe American owned and brewed if I'm not mistaken. Now I'll have to google it.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabst_Blue_Ribbon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Dean_Metropoulos

    If you trust wikipedia.....it looks like PBR is American owned and brewed. FYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Duke View Post
    You havta ... spend more than a buck & a quarter a drink to get into the better bars... LOL
    hows $8.00 for a long Island ice tea, someone told me they recently paid this....? I have been out of the drinking scene for quite a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1huntmaster View Post
    hows $8.00 for a long Island ice tea, someone told me they recently paid this....? I have been out of the drinking scene for quite a while now.
    Depends who's making it, I have had a few that I would have no problem paying $8.00 for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpcollins View Post
    Pick your poison . . .

    Premium price class (MSRP over $1100)

    Leupold VX-6
    Nightforce
    Schmidt & Bender
    Swarovski Z5, Z6
    U.S. Optics line
    Zeiss Victory series

    High price class (MSRP $600-$1099)

    Bushnell Elite 6500
    Docter Optic
    I.O.R.-Valdada line
    Leupold VX-3, FX-3, VX-R
    Millet LRS
    Sightron Series III (SIII)
    Swarovski Z3
    Trijicon Accupoint
    Weaver Super Slam, Classic T Series

    Medium-high price class (MSRP $400-$599)

    Bushnell Elite, Bone Collector
    Clearidge Optics Ultra XP5
    Leupold VX-2, FX-2
    Millet DMS, TRS
    Minox ZA
    Nikon Monarch 3
    Pentax Lightseeker
    Sightron SII Big Sky (SIIB)
    Vixen Sport Optics line
    Weaver Grand Slam
    Zeiss Conquest

    Medium price class (MSRP $300-$399)

    Burris Fullfield E1, C4
    Bushnell Legend Ultra HD
    Clearidge Optics Ultra XP
    Konus Pro M-30
    Leupold VX-I, FX-I, Mark AR
    Sightron Series II (SII)

    Medium-low price class (MSRP $200-$299)

    BSA Gold Star 2
    Burris Fullfield II
    Bushnell Trophy XLT
    Clearidge Optics Ultra RM
    Leupold Rifleman
    Nikon Buckmaster
    Redfield Revolution
    Sightron Series I (SI)
    Swift Premier series
    Weaver Classic V-Series, K-Series, Rimfire, 40/44

    Low price class (MSRP $125-$199)

    Alpen Kodiak
    BSA Edge
    Bushnell Banner
    Konus Pro Plus
    Mueller Optics line
    Nikon Prostaff, AR, Rimfire
    Pentax Gameseeker II
    Redfield Revenge
    Simmons ProHunter, 44 Mag
    Tasco Titan
    Weaver Kaspa

    Economy price class (MSRP under $125)

    BSA Deerhunter
    Konus Pro line
    Simmons Master Series ProSport, 8-Point, .22 Mag, Rimfire
    Tasco World Class, Target & Varmint, Pronghorn, .22, Rimfire
    No Vortex optics?

    I have a few that are pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beervo2 View Post
    Depends who's making it, I have had a few that I would have no problem paying $8.00 for...

    Mike
    Buy a drink ... in some of the NYC bars, or at a Jets, Giants, Rangers, etc., etc., game! Astonishing. I did some DMP work out in hoytie toytie South Hampton, Long Island and it was costing me $19.00 for two eggs, one breakfast sausage link and a cup of tea... LOL
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    That's a copy and paste from Chuck Hawks website. No Meopta, Kahles, Steiner, Hensoldt(prolly the best scope made) or Vortex. All very good manufactures, it's an old list. Prices have changed a bit too.

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    Hensoldt - Zeiss ... For those unfamiliar with the Hensoldt optics, a copy/paste from Long Range Hunting http://www.longrangehunting.com/arti...e-review-2.php

    Today Carl Zeiss binoculars, rifle scopes and spotting scopes are well respected around the world. But sports optics is just one small facet of what is a huge organization. Zeiss is also heavily involved in manufacturing precision components for the medical, semi-conductor and other fields. One of these other fields is the military and LE market. Products for this specialized market are now designed and built by the Carl Zeiss Optronics division and marketed under the Hensoldt label.

    Now, the name Hensoldt is much more than just an old and respected name pimped for commercial gain. Hensoldt and Carl Zeiss have long ties dating back decades. Hensoldt itself was founded in 1852 by Moritz Carl Hensoldt and was originally an energetic competitor of Carl Zeiss.

    The company moved to Wetzlar Germany in 1865 and made a name for itself by producing innovative and high quality optics. Hensoldt expanded greatly into the military field prior to World War I. After the war they were forbidden to produce military wares and this, combined with the economic depression, led to their becoming part of the Zeiss Gruppe in 1928.

    However, quite unlike all the other small German optics companies Zeiss acquired during this period, Hensoldt’s name didn’t disappear. Hensoldt’s production remained separate from Zeiss’s, and it continued to carry the Hensoldt name. During World War II, they produced optics, including sniper scopes, for the German war effort.

    After the war, as it had not in the 1920s, Hensoldt returned to producing military wares. Binoculars and sniper scopes bearing its logo were fielded not only by the Bundeswehr, but by countries around the world. Then in 1964, Zeiss and Hensoldt joined manufacturing, effectively fusing the product lines for binoculars and riflescopes. Today, Hensoldt’s Wetzler plant is the home of Carl Zeiss’s Sports Optics as well as the separate Carl Zeiss Optronics division.

    While the oldest part of the Hensoldt plant in Wetzler dates from 1922, the facility has been recently renovated and is both modern and in extremely good shape. I have visited a number of European optics manufacturers and Wetzler impressed me as state of the art when I toured it a few years back. All manner of military optics are produced behind the Skunk Works doors of Carl Zeiss Optronics.

    These include, but are not limited to, submarine periscopes, gyroscopically stabilized tank and armored fighting vehicle sight systems, night vision devices, thermal vision and laser rangefinders which reach out to 20+ kilometers. In decades past both Carl Zeiss and Hensoldt supplied specialized optics to military snipers. Today though the name Hensoldt is what you will see engraved on a modern tactical scope from Carl Zeiss Optronics.

    Up until today the Hensoldt line had been unavailable to American riflemen. For whatever reason, these military products were not offered here. In order to get your hands on one. you had to buy it in Europe. However all that has changed. If you have the financial means, you can pick up the phone and order a great variety of wonderful toys from HuDisCo.

    The current line consists of tactical scopes, reflex sights, spotting scopes and night vision devices. Tactical scopes include the 3-12x56mm SSG-P, 3-12x56mm, 4-16x56mm, 6-24x56mm, 6-24x72mm and 6-24x72mm SAM. The 3-12x56mm and 4-16x56mm are offered with either a front or rear focal plane reticle.
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    Good stuff there:-)
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    Awhile back I had a pair of Zeiss Victory T* FL 8x42 binoculars - awesome bins but a tad heavy. The birding forums raved about the same bin in the 8 x32 format so I got a pair with the intention of selling the 8x42s. The 8x42 bins uses Zeiss's proprietary Abbe-Koenig prisms which are supposedly the best there is (based on who's reporting). The Victory 8x32s, Swarovsk,i and Leica use Schmidt-Pechan prisms. Before I sold the 8x42s I took them on a before daylight test and I don't know if it was the larger exit pupil or the prisms but the low light capability between the two was unbelievable - the 8x32 were great, the 8x42s looked like somebody turned on a floodlight in the field. But the 8x32s were easier to carry plus a tad larger FoV, so I had a small funeral and said goodbye the 8x42s - a really sad day. But fluorite glass and the proper coatings do cost money - and they're a pleasure to look thru.
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    Here is my 2 cents. About 15-20 years ago, there was a major difference in quality between a $200 scope and a $1,000 scope. The difference is not that great anymore. Sure, if you have money to burn, buy the $1,000 scope so you can say "I have a ........." If the less expensive scope has a no B.S. warranty, it's good enough for me.

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    Different scopes for different folks:-) I had an associate tell me once that he could not tell the difference between spectacle lenses with and without anti reflective coating!!!! Yep, he was wearing like minus 8 diopter lenses:-) My point is that some folks can appreciate the difference and some don't. Even one's visual acuity comes into play. Folks with less than accurate visual correction will see differently through a given pair of bino's or scopes. I have a $400 pair of binos here (Brand X) and they are not equal in any way except magnification to my $900 ones. The difference is worth it to me.......may not be to you:-) In many cases the difference is subtle...but there. Focus on a few blades of grass at 150 yards with the $399 bino's and then a pair of premium optics. Yep, subtle differences mean a lot to some and zilch to others:-)
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    If I can see what I'm shooting at and hit it. And do it day end day out week end week out. I'm happy as can be. Sure I can tell the difference between great glass and good glass. But I'm just a Bowhunter that hunts with a crossbow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer36 View Post
    Here is my 2 cents. About 15-20 years ago, there was a major difference in quality between a $200 scope and a $1,000 scope. The difference is not that great anymore. .
    Really? So using my old theory - snuggling up to Rosie O'Donnell would be the same as snuggling up to Cindy Crawford or Kate Upton?
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    I don't even carry bino's with me when bowhunting:-) Too heavy. I use my 8x Leica rangefinder for duel purpose.
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    Buy a Hawke or similar scope and then get a good set of binoculars, they can be used for many things.
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    I bought one of my scopes for the features it had. Its really hard to get ALL the particulars you want without getting a custom scope like First Focal Plane scopes. There's not a lot of choices and FFP costs more usually.

    But surely we all can agree that its not an argument about if its worth it or not when dealing with this many variables.
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    I normally use bino's when sitting around the farmhouse or when I see something to check out while riding around the farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I don't even carry bino's with me when bowhunting:-) Too heavy. I use my 8x Leica rangefinder for duel purpose.
    Which one do you have? I have the Leica CRF 900 with a 7x ocular. That optic is probably better than what a lot of people carry for binoculars. The only issue is the focus ring is a tad stiff to move initially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger375 View Post
    Just like sew said deep woods I always have a decient scope due to light gathering ,missed the buck of s lifetime one time due to scope I had at the time wouldnt gather enough light to get a good sight picture snd due to me being a consentious hunter let him pass rather than mske a bad shot vowed never again but to each his own you don't need a $1500 ziess or a $900 trigicon but at that moment I would have bought both,there are a lot of nice scopes out there that are very nice and cheap do a little digging ,my scope I have on my Excalibur now cost three times what the xbow did but it serves double duty in the season when I switch to rifle so myself I spent the extra but it can be used on quite abit of guns I have so no biggie to make a long story short spend what you feel is best for you like I tell my wife at least its not loose woman or crack I'm spending my money on just my 2 cents that and $3.50 will get you a beer down town .
    this is excactly why cheap optics do not cut the mustard.

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    I agree with some of the previous posts which tout the benefits of top level optics. I bought a new vent 150 2 years ago from david at wyvern. I chose to go all out on this setup.

    I used the HHA optimizer dial, a DNZ one piece game reaper 30mm scope base. And after much research I got the Leupold VX-R 3x9x50 Firedot scope. I sent it back to Leupold and had the parallax changed to @ 30 yards.

    I hunt from a combination of double bull ground blinds or ladder stands. When inside the ground blinds very early or very late I can actually see better through this scope than I can with my naked eye. The light gathering ability of his scope is awesome. Then there is the illuminated reticle which is switch controlled.

    I'm almost ashamed to admit how many deer I have killed with this setup.

    I spent a lot of money on this setup and it's performance is awesome!
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    Well as the original poster, I would have to say after following and reading all the replies that high end optics are worth it even if not necessary. Thanks to all who shared there experience. My problem is I don't have a large budget to spend with. So I guess I will buy cheap for now and save money for quality next year. Will let you all know how this works out as I go along.

    Todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd the archer View Post
    Well as the original poster, I would have to say after following and reading all the replies that high end optics are worth it even if not necessary. Thanks to all who shared there experience. My problem is I don't have a large budget to spend with. So I guess I will buy cheap for now and save money for quality next year. Will let you all know how this works out as I go along.

    Todd

    If you plan to use the HHA Optimizer (I'm not a fan of it but others do like it), I would save until you can buy once and cry one. At noon with the sun shining, that $100 scope will do just fine. But if you're going to be in the woods where it gets light later and dark earlier, you'll want to have the extra coatings the good optics go thru that enhances light transmission. You can't hit what you can't see. You've bought a good xbow, if you're getting the HHA, then I wouldn't put bald tires on a Ferrari . . .
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