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    Lightbulb GUIDO's WEB Tips and techniques thread ("THE GO-TO THREAD")

    Hey everyone; I'm the guy who started the "Climbing to 17+ ft. w/2 Muddy Sticks!!!" climbing technique thread last fall....

    Anyways, now I have a Guido's Web too. (So I'm going to have to spend some time learning how to travel and hunt with this new tool for the upcoming season.)
    I'm liking the possibility of "enhanced comfort" (back and legs) along with low/no movement while waiting for prey.

    But I also have several questions and a lot to figure out (with little time to do it), so now I need some HELP PLEASE!!!!
    I thought it might be appropriate to start a GUIDO's WEB TIPS AND TECHNIQUES THREAD where we can all learn and share what works..... (and what doesn't)
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    For starters.....

    1.) Seems to me that since the Guido's Web takes the place of a pack, stowing gear is going to be an issue. What are you guys using for packing in gear? Shoulder duffle bag? GamePlan Gear "Sport and Stalk" worn sideways?
    2.) I'd love to see some photos of the bridge setup for use with a Guido's web. (I have several rope hookups made by JSouthern.)
    3.) And about that tree fork..... Seems way too big for archery, and I'm thinking about removing it completely. (Or at least using a much smaller & shorter one just to rest against tree, and possibly shaping the front of it like a "popsicle stick."
    (The long fork looks like a problem on many different levels and I don't anticipate using it for anything more than a resting point. ~ It certainly won't be a brace while taking shots.)

    Also, I know that Guido's is coming out with their own version of a bridge, but that's only going to provide ~10% (or so) pivoting capabilities. (I'm thinking I need at lest 3x that to shoot like I do out of the tree saddle.)

    FWIW: I have (as of yet) to even put this thing on my back, let alone try it in a tree. (And I won't have much, if any time at all to mess with it prior to Labor-Day due to work obligations.)

    Also: The web I have was very slightly used. I have the benefits of all the quieting accessories, along with the lightweight stuff (straps) already on the pack.
    (Not sure exactly what that means yet, but the seller was pretty knowledgeable while sharing what he has already done with this web. Apparently he saved me a bunch of work with regards to enhancements & upgrades.)

    My buddy bought a brand new one (from the factory) several months ago. So once Labor-Day gets here we'll be able to compare the two and note the enhancements/upgrades.

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    I would suggest looking at a vest for gear vs a pack. Fly fishing vest work great.

    I ground out the rivets on the fork & replaced the center one with bolt & nut. That way the fork could be folded back for climbing.

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    Subscribing. I want to hunt from my GW more this year.

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    I think I may sell one of my saddles and try a web this season.
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    If it works as well as I hope it does, I'll transition much of my hunting from saddle to web but not all. (I typically devote about 500 hours a season to bow hunting, so I'll hopefully have some good "experience" to share by the end of this season.... Along with "three deer down" (by bow) hopefully.....

    One of my biggest concerns is:

    Being able to pivot (the bridge thing) for taking shots from angles similar to my saddles. (Saddle hunting IMO gives you the ultimate shot angle/lean for about 270 degrees around the tree.) I'm not willing to give that aspect up.

    Also, anyone think this pack might work (worn with/under the web?): http://www.gameplangear.com/productc...&idcategory=11 ~You can wear this pack "sideways", so the only thing on your back (when worn under the web) is the strap.

    Quote Originally Posted by NHunter View Post
    I think I may sell one of my saddles and try a web this season.
    I may sell one of my 3 saddles too. (2 leather RoadTrips & a mesh Ambush) My used (but in great shape) leather RoadTrips one (no fraying on pivot strap) is now a bit big for me. It's a large (not XL) which is very comfortable as far as saddles go anyways. (Perfect for a 225 lb. guy. ~ I've lost some weight from running etc., so it's now almost too big for me.)
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    Maxpedition versipack

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    I hunted exclusively out of a gw last season. For the strap on the tree im using a 5ft nylon runner with an aluminum caribiner. For the bridge I use a 21 inch nylon runner. I thought about cutting the leg straps off as I never wear them however found they sort of act as a kidney belt if attached around your waist for the walk in. For a pack the I found I like a small sling style pack. About rounding off the whale tail I wouldn't because it will be hard to hold in one spot even at rest. For the climb I stopped wearing the web at the end of the season and setup in two climbs because of needing warm clothes. I would pack everything into the sling pack and put that in the web with my bibs and layers walk to the tree just in pants and base layer top. When I got to the tree I would put on a linesmans belt and throw the pack over one shoulder and my sticks on the other. I would climb the tree setting my sticks when I got to the top I would put my strap on the tree and then climb down. While on the ground I would put on my bibs and and layers then put on the web climb up my sticks and hook in. This year im kicking around the idea of the cranford rope steps instead of lonewolf sticks. Although there are some fantastic things about web hunting im also kicking around the idea of going to a hang on stand. One of the biggest things is not being able to apply and remove layers the other big drawback is the two trip deal and I also hate pissing in a bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenLimbs View Post
    If it works as well as I hope it does, I'll transition much of my hunting from saddle to web but not all. (I typically devote about 500 hours a season to bow hunting, so I'll hopefully have some good "experience" to share by the end of this season.... Along with "three deer down" (by bow) hopefully.....

    One of my biggest concerns is:

    Being able to pivot (the bridge thing) for taking shots from angles similar to my saddles. (Saddle hunting IMO gives you the ultimate shot angle/lean for about 270 degrees around the tree.) I'm not willing to give that aspect up.

    Also, anyone think this pack might work (worn with/under the web?): http://www.gameplangear.com/productc...&idcategory=11 ~You can wear this pack "sideways", so the only thing on your back (when worn under the web) is the strap.



    I may sell one of my 3 saddles too. (2 leather RoadTrips & a mesh Ambush) My used (but in great shape) leather RoadTrips one (no fraying on pivot strap) is now a bit big for me. It's a large (not XL) which is very comfortable as far as saddles go anyways. (Perfect for a 225 lb. guy. ~ I've lost some weight from running etc., so it's now almost too big for me.)
    So do you not get as much freedom in moving around as you do the saddle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHunter View Post
    So do you not get as much freedom in moving around as you do the saddle?
    I don't know yet but from what I've learned thus far..... I doubt it. (Come September 2'nd, I'll have almost 2 weeks to figure it all out though.) I spoke with the manufacturer several months back and they were talking about a bridge (in the works) for pivoting (like you do in a saddle.) I was told the one in production only gives you roughly 10 degrees of pivoting for safety reasons. (Unlike some of the bridges that are being custom made for the web which pivot more.) The reason given for only ~10 degree pivoting was safety. All I do know is that I've had instances in the saddle where I've pivoted to extreme angles to "lean into" and get shots at deer. IMO, pivoting to extreme angles with the saddle is not really a safety issue. It's more of an "acrobatics" issue. ~ If you can get into position (quietly), the saddle safely cradles you with little risk of "falling out" regardless of how far you've pivoted "off center."

    I also asked as to why the tree fork was so large. The response was for stability in the tree while making shots. I have no plans of using the web like that. I intend to "lean into shots" while standing on the pegs. (just like I do with the saddle) The primary reason I am interested in the web is for comfort during long hunts. For that, all I need is a small "fork-less rest", I think.... IMO, the sole benefit of a web is comfort. And of course if I can "rest" comfortably with some back support (unlike the saddle), there will be much less movement while waiting.

    I have yet to try the web, but having as much experience with the saddle (as I do), I strongly suspect that hunting out of a web is going to have it's downsides/trade-offs too.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbrilmyer View Post
    @ bbrilmyer: Do you sling the Maxpedtiion pack pack under or over the web's pack straps?
    (I would think that wearing it under, if possible makes the most sense from a tree climbing perspective anyways.)

    Also, is that pack large enough for you? I wonder whether the next size up would be better: http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/...CK-40p1344.htm
    (On second thought, maybe wearing it over the web would be fine too. Just worried about that fork prong sticking up.)

    Maxpedition makes some pretty rugged stuff. I've looked at their sling packs in the past.
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    Bumping this. My web and Muddy sticks will be here this week. Can't wait to use this system!
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    Setting sticks with GW is noisy. Use a tree hopper belt as your regular belt. The D rings are used for linesman belt while ascending tree and setting sticks. Ditch the tree hopper linesmans belt and use something else for linemans belt.

    I purchased a bridge and "runner" here and it works closer to saddle. I would recommend it.

    The GW is a pack. Stuff your crap between it and bungee it together. Why add a pack.

    Carry your sticks across your shoulder with a sling.

    Get some core exercise in. Planking, crunches, obliques, back hyper extensions. You will need core strength for these types of stands.

    For those who use a crossbow, get a three point sling. Easier to carry while hiking in and more ready to get a shot off if you see a deer.

    I use 2 to 3 Stepp ladder steps for platform.

    Lastly, GW is great to use to film your buddy hunting from a ladder stand. Climb up the ladder, attach GW and start filming.

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    Not to steal this thread, but this looks like the newest product to compete with Treesaddle and Guidos Web. But it is pricey

    http://www.newtribe.com/store/index....index&cPath=20

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    I use a simple hip pack slung over one shoulder. I hang it in the tree once I'm set up.

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    the best thing I did was get in a tree in the forest behind my house before the season & practiced shooting into a target 20 feet below. I did that a couple times & if I hadn't done that I wouldn't have taken a deer the first time out on opening day. First, I discovered that 2 of the ways in which I planned on getting up the tree weren't going to work. I ended up using Stepp Ladders & that worked good.

    So, get in a tree a couple times before hunting, as that will really give you an idea as to what you have gotten yourself into! It is different, way different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin2 View Post
    the best thing I did was get in a tree in the forest behind my house before the season & practiced shooting into a target 20 feet below. I did that a couple times & if I hadn't done that I wouldn't have taken a deer the first time out on opening day. First, I discovered that 2 of the ways in which I planned on getting up the tree weren't going to work. I ended up using Stepp Ladders & that worked good.

    So, get in a tree a couple times before hunting, as that will really give you an idea as to what you have gotten yourself into! It is different, way different.
    You definitely HAVE to practice using them. I bought mine in July and I have been practicing with it every few days and I really do love it now. The first and second attempts at using it I was highly frustrated but kept working with it. Now I don't think I will go back to a conventional stand. I feel so much safer in the web!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flinginairos View Post
    You definitely HAVE to practice using them. I bought mine in July and I have been practicing with it every few days and I really do love it now. The first and second attempts at using it I was highly frustrated but kept working with it. Now I don't think I will go back to a conventional stand. I feel so much safer in the web!
    I am about to begin transitioning (adapting actually) to the web from saddle. (I've been a devoted saddle hunter for the past 7 years.) I just hope I can shoot out of the web as well as I can from the saddle.
    From my perspective, I'm also trading a backpack (sling pack) for this bulkier setup. The benefits (at least what I'm hoping for) are comfort (not always standing on the legs) and thus less movement while in a tree.

    I'm just worried I won't be able to pivot (using the bridge mod, carabiner & rope setup) quite the same as I can with the saddle. With the saddle, you can swing out and really aggressively lean into the shots, thus keeping the bow at a right angle without having to do much bending at the waist. I finally have the time to begin using the web this afternoon.....

    And of course, I had my gear "down to a science" with the saddle.....
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    This will be interesting. I went with the treesaddle and now the aero hunter from new tribes, mainly because the GW seemed to bulky to move around the tree and make shots, and more bulky for the run and gun style of hunting I do. It seems to be the ultimate in comfort though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenLimbs View Post
    I am about to begin transitioning (adapting actually) to the web from saddle. (I've been a devoted saddle hunter for the past 7 years.) I just hope I can shoot out of the web as well as I can from the saddle.
    From my perspective, I'm also trading a backpack (sling pack) for this bulkier setup. The benefits (at least what I'm hoping for) are comfort (not always standing on the legs) and thus less movement while in a tree.

    I'm just worried I won't be able to pivot (using the bridge mod, carabiner & rope setup) quite the same as I can with the saddle. With the saddle, you can swing out and really aggressively lean into the shots, thus keeping the bow at a right angle without having to do much bending at the waist. I finally have the time to begin using the web this afternoon.....

    And of course, I had my gear "down to a science" with the saddle.....
    I think you will like it just fine if you are using the bridge set up. I have never even used the stock strap on mine. I ordered the stuff for the bridge when I bought the web. I have zero problems shooting from mine even with shots that are directly below or completely behind me. I have seen pictures of guys shooting to the right of the tree using a bridge but when I tried it I didn't feel solid enough. It's easier to pivot around the tree to the left for me. It's something I'll have to practice this year for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjwaldman21 View Post
    This will be interesting. I went with the treesaddle and now the aero hunter from new tribes, mainly because the GW seemed to bulky to move around the tree and make shots, and more bulky for the run and gun style of hunting I do. It seems to be the ultimate in comfort though...
    Comfort: That's why I added it to my "arsenal of soft stands." (my saddles) Bulky: Nope, not while in it. Only on the transport side of things. I have to work some things out in this department.

    Quote Originally Posted by flinginairos View Post
    I think you will like it just fine if you are using the bridge set up. I have never even used the stock strap on mine. I ordered the stuff for the bridge when I bought the web. I have zero problems shooting from mine even with shots that are directly below or completely behind me. I have seen pictures of guys shooting to the right of the tree using a bridge but when I tried it I didn't feel solid enough. It's easier to pivot around the tree to the left for me. It's something I'll have to practice this year for sure
    Finally began experimenting with the web today..... (with a bridge): Very similar shot capabilities to the harness, but way more comfortable for extended hunts. That means less motion (staying comfortable) which also means (hopefully) seeing more deer!

    It is good (similar to saddle) with a bridge! Only complaints are all the straps. Too many BLACK straps. And also, the fork.... That freaking fork! A stubby one would be better, especially while climbing. I'm going to drill more mounting holes to move it back inward about 1/2 way. (and round the prong edges a lot while I'm at it) I don't need to be that far out on an 8 to 10 inch tree. It only gets in the way while going up, although most of this can be avoided by wearing the shoulder straps tight. On the way down, I just unhook the leg straps, and it hangs backwards / stays out of the way.

    Of course I'm still going to have to work on stowing gear. Maybe I will need to invest in a Maxpedition "shoulder bag." No matter what I do, I'll need a different pack for this than I do for the saddle. I do believe I'll still be able to climb easily using my 2 sticks and aider setup..... Because I intend to hunt using both the saddle and web, I will have the pleasure of transferring gear from my sling pack to a shoulder bag. That's going to be a PITA.....

    PS: Just like the saddle, your best shot position is standing, so the fork is only a spacer which keeps your legs off the tree.
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    I use a Cabela's bowhunter vest.I don't carry a lot of junk with me but with the vest,everything I need is in the front.The bridge is the way to go.Also,I put three climb paws on the same strap and use that as a platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenLimbs View Post
    Comfort: That's why I added it to my "arsenal of soft stands." (my saddles) Bulky: Nope, not while in it. Only on the transport side of things. I have to work some things out in this department.



    Finally began experimenting with the web today..... (with a bridge): Very similar shot capabilities to the harness, but way more comfortable for extended hunts. That means less motion (staying comfortable) which also means (hopefully) seeing more deer!

    It is good (similar to saddle) with a bridge! Only complaints are all the straps. Too many BLACK straps. And also, the fork.... That freaking fork! A stubby one would be better, especially while climbing. I'm going to drill more mounting holes to move it back inward about 1/2 way. (and round the prong edges a lot while I'm at it) I don't need to be that far out on an 8 to 10 inch tree. It only gets in the way while going up, although most of this can be avoided by wearing the shoulder straps tight. On the way down, I just unhook the leg straps, and it hangs backwards / stays out of the way.

    Of course I'm still going to have to work on stowing gear. Maybe I will need to invest in a Maxpedition "shoulder bag." No matter what I do, I'll need a different pack for this than I do for the saddle. I do believe I'll still be able to climb easily using my 2 sticks and aider setup..... Because I intend to hunt using both the saddle and web, I will have the pleasure of transferring gear from my sling pack to a shoulder bag. That's going to be a PITA.....

    PS: Just like the saddle, your best shot position is standing, so the fork is only a spacer which keeps your legs off the tree.
    LOL I have the same feelings about that fork! I may do the exact same thing. It doesn't need to be as wide or long. The best way I have found is to wear my rock climbing harness under the web and leave the seat folded up until I get to where I want to sit. That definitely frees you up while climbing. I have also started leaving the leg straps undone even while I hunting. I've found none of the straps need to be that tight while sitting in it. And the black straps do bother me as well. Not sure how to fix that. Maybe make a cover from some camo material?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flinginairos View Post
    LOL I have the same feelings about that fork! I may do the exact same thing. It doesn't need to be as wide or long. The best way I have found is to wear my rock climbing harness under the web and leave the seat folded up until I get to where I want to sit. That definitely frees you up while climbing. I have also started leaving the leg straps undone even while I hunting. I've found none of the straps need to be that tight while sitting in it. And the black straps do bother me as well. Not sure how to fix that. Maybe make a cover from some camo material?
    Straps.... All black under a green headlamp. At the very least (although I may get used to it without): It would be smart for the hookup loop ends (both lineman and main tree loops) to be gray instead of black. That way, they can be quickly located under a headlamp. To me, that's a potential safety issue that should be corrected. If you have to struggle to find/get to what you need (and it takes you longer): Your exposure to "getting into trouble" is greater. ~ I'm going to figure out a workaround on this.

    For those interested: The saddle is "so simple" by comparison! The ONLY downside of a saddle is the comfort thing. You're on your feet all the time.
    (Leather is the most comfortable, and best overall. Mesh is super compact & lightweight. I'd never own a neoprene saddle due to heat/sweating and potential noise from the rubber material.)
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