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    ASA - Senior Known!!!

    Will it be?!?! I'm thinking it's in the works.

    45 or 50 yards? I'm hoping 50.

    Amateur or Semi-Pro? I like the idea of Semi-Pro but I don't think it's likely.



    If there is a Senior Known that adds another element to deciding which class to shoot! Like I've said before I have shot out of K45 and I'm seriously considering Senior Open instead of K50. Open B does not interest me. If I'm considering Senior Open why not go all in and sign up for Senior Pro for a year?!?!?!?! When you are a "Senior" time influences the decision making process since I don't know anyone that is physically getting younger..........and our time here on earth is definitely finite.
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    WHAT??? YOU MEAN I'M GONNA DIE?? WHEN?? HOW??? OH NO!!!

    I figure I couldn't die until I paid off all my credit cards...that's why I figured I'd live forever...you sure spoiled that one.

    A known class for seniors would open up a known class for some of those guys shooting senior open now. Be interesting to see if ASA is hidin that in the crystal ball.
    Can you point me toward the target, please?

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    I am reasonably sure its going to happen. 45 max class. Definitely amateur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallcatt View Post
    I am reasonably sure its going to happen. 45 max class. Definitely amateur.
    Any info as to age restrictions?
    Can you point me toward the target, please?

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    Same as Sr. Open and Sr. Hunter.
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    "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
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    Hopefully it will attract new shooters and not simply draw folks from the existing classes.
    Can you point me toward the target, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosii View Post
    Hopefully it will attract new shooters and not simply draw folks from the existing classes.
    It will. Just like K45 and K50 it will take a few years for it to build up to a high attendance rate. There are a lot more folks out there with the time and money to play the game that are over 50 than under 40! Senior Known will be a good class for guys that never had the time and/or money for competitive 3D when they were younger so they never developed their yardage guessing skills.

    As it stands now not only does a newbie older guy have to learn target archery he has to also develop yardage guessing skills at the same time. Just how long does it take for a newbie to develop decently consistent yardage guessing skills? A Senior Known class is a no brainer after seeing how K45 and K50 have done. However, like I said previously it will take a few seasons the for the class to have a larger number of archers. I am not certain I will shoot Senior K.

    If you are over 50 and shot out of K45 will you be allowed to shoot Senior Known?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstigall View Post
    It will. Just like K45 and K50 it will take a few years for it to build up to a high attendance rate. There are a lot more folks out there with the time and money to play the game that are over 50 than under 40! Senior Known will be a good class for guys that never had the time and/or money for competitive 3D when they were younger so they never developed their yardage guessing skills.

    As it stands now not only does a newbie older guy have to learn target archery he has to also develop yardage guessing skills at the same time. Just how long does it take for a newbie to develop decently consistent yardage guessing skills? A Senior Known class is a no brainer after seeing how K45 and K50 have done. However, like I said previously it will take a few seasons the for the class to have a larger number of archers. I am not certain I will shoot Senior K.

    If you are over 50 and shot out of K45 will you be allowed to shoot Senior Known?
    If you shot out of k45 and they have a k45 known senior I would think you would not be allowed
    But we will see

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    First, it has to be approved as a new class, and I have heard nothing formal about it --- other than they are taking a "look" at it, and a lot of speculation by some shooters about it.

    As for yardage estimating, I am finding out, that good yardage judging disappears about as fast, as it took to learn when I was young. Actually, it just took the time involved between the end of last season, and the beginning of this season, and 73 is on my doorstep.

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    Next you will want a Senior Know under 5' 9"

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    I'll be switching, fer sure!

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    Well I would like it.but after winning money at the classic in senior pro.i will be locked in for 2015

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    If they do go with a senior known it should be 50 yards max. You're taking the judging out of it so in order to gin it up taking it to 50 yards will put some value to it. I love seeing those kids have to sweat it a bit.
    Can you point me toward the target, please?

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    They probably should have both a "right handed class", and a "left handed class" to really make it fair though --- I agree, 50yds should be the magic number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosii View Post
    If they do go with a senior known it should be 50 yards max. You're taking the judging out of it so in order to gin it up taking it to 50 yards will put some value to it. I love seeing those kids have to sweat it a bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by elkhunter View Post
    They probably should have both a "right handed class", and a "left handed class" to really make it fair though --- I agree, 50yds should be the magic number.
    I agree on the 50 yard part. But I also think it is most important that the class "fit" within the ranges and classes currently available.
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    I would like to get into that class. I personally would like it to be 45 yards max. I would like to start attending some of the ASA ProAm events again.
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    45 yard max
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    45 yard max has how many classes now? i'm thinkin' open b, open a, k45. what am i missing? i guess known senior at 45 could shoot with the K45 but that's getting to be a pretty big class.
    Can you point me toward the target, please?

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    menopause, dementia and depends. Jeez, I thought old farts would have some fortitude and want to shoot unknown. I have no hope for America anymore because if this is the values theyre passing on to theyre grand kids, Hunting will be outlawed by 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pincher View Post
    menopause, dementia and depends. Jeez, I thought old farts would have some fortitude and want to shoot unknown. I have no hope for America anymore because if this is the values theyre passing on to theyre grand kids, Hunting will be outlawed by 2020
    The Known yardage thing is another attempt to grab some competitors, not detract from the sport. There are many that don't shoot 3D because of not being able to judge yardage. It's been a few years, early 2006, I sat in a IAA meeting. I was then a Central Board member. Two members were trying to get the 3D State Championship with all known yardage. The Motion came, but it failed. That same year, 2006, late summer at another meeting the 3D Championship was eliminated. I didn't run for another term, let my NFAA membership expire and our club did not renew with the NFAA/IAA.

    3 years ago ASA Federation rules still had 50/50 for all state competitors except for the Known classes. I unloaded in the ASA forums when the then State Director made yardages the same as the National rules. With my blow up there nothing offered that said the Director got approval from ASA headquarters. Following that year for 2012 the ASA changed the Federation rules to more "mirror" National rules for yardages.
    There is no voting of ASA members within a state. A Director may go to ASA, get approval and Federation rules are by-passed. A dictatorship of sorts. "Loose" meeting at this 3D club over yardages. The only ones wanting it were those that shot on the National circuit, so 2 for and 8 against and it passed to use National yardages. Okay, not a meeting really and not even a big meeting, but probably what would have been the same if all ASA state members were present.
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    I was questioned of that in my above post. Here's copies of the past and present state rules.

    2011 Federation rule;
    General rules;
    C. During Federation Qualifier and State Championship tournaments all classes will compete using the Half Unknown/Half
    Known distance format except those classes that are designated as “all known distance” (Bow Novice, Women’s Hunter,
    Men’s Known and Women’s Known 40). Known distance class competitors will be grouped together and may carry range
    finders over the entire course

    ASA FEDERATION STATE CHAMPIONSHIP:
    A. There will be one (1) ASA State Championship per year for each state.
    B. Federation State Championships will consist of one (1) round of thirty (30) individual McKenzie 3-D targets. The tournament will be conducted over a two-day period; however individual competitors will be allowed to complete their competition in one day. This is to allow the maximum number of competitors the opportunity to compete. The host club will set half of the targets at unknown distances and half at known distances.

    Today, General rules;
    C. During Federation Qualifier and State Championship tournaments all classes will follow the same format for known and unknown distance competition as they do in ASA Pro/Ams. This of course over rules the following.

    ASA FEDERATION STATE CHAMPIONSHIP:
    A. There will be one (1) ASA State Championship per year for each state.
    B. Federation State Championships will consist of one (1) round of thirty (30) individual McKenzie 3-D targets. The tournament will be conducted over a two-day period; however individual competitors will be allowed to complete their competition in one day. This is to allow the maximum number of competitors the opportunity to compete. The host club will set half of the targets at unknown distances and half at known distances.
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    I have been to all the pro-ams this year as a Senior Open shooter and have discussed this with many, all year, and do feel there is defenit interest from many that already participate,and think that a large number of old fart paper punchers that don't shoot pro-ams would get involved in known yardage class.
    Though it is true,our future is in the youth,there are still a lot of us old farts that bring them and pave the way.Once started,old or young,it is contagious.
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    Would much rather see a Known Hunter class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowaholic71122 View Post
    Would much rather see a Known Hunter class.
    Thats bow novice
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