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    While I applaud those responsible for the effort to get this class going, I also don't see how it can grow participation for the IBO. Only a select few will step up and participate. With it being labeled as a "Pro" class, I would assume anyone shooting in it would be required to shoot Pro in other orgs also. With being a Pro class I would have liked to have seen them shoot 50 max on the Pro ranges, just seems like a glorified MBR class. With the IBO numbers being stagnant the last few years and the Pro class numbers dwindling I would have thought this would be a good time for the IBO to look for ways to bring in new shooters and not water down the existing classes even more. Good luck to those who step up in the new season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkman38 View Post
    couple of questions, if a guy shoots pbh will he have to shoot open pro in asa? and a less serious note could anyone drop down from open pro and knock out ol wes if thats even possible. i love shooting pins and alot of practice goes into gaping and holding with short bars,still not ready to go the easy route with lens,sight and long bars. pbh for me next yr.
    The answer to your first question, if you shoot "pro" another organization then you must a shoot a pro or semi-pro class in ASA. Of course the ASA can make exceptions but I'm sure the only possible class a PBH guy could shoot that wasn't a "pro" or semi-pro class would be the Unlimited class (50 yard).

    There is no rule that says an Open Pro could not shoot PHC. However, unless the money is there I doubt any will change. Some years ago I shot a few IBO shoots in AHC and shot Hunter in the ASA and BHFS in the NFAA. I really enjoyed shooting pins. There is not as big of a difference between pin shooting and adjustable sight shooting in the IBO as there is in the ASA. In IBO everyone including fixed pin archers are shooting center 10. Being off vertically bit may still get you an 11 and at worse a 10.

    You can look at the SOY scores for AHC and PMR to evaluate and compare. Remember, PMR courses are 25% longer than AHC courses. Guesstimate the advantage of using an adjustable sight and lens. I expect many of the younger Pro's would not be giving up a whole lot by not using a lens on IBO targets since they will start be shooting center 10's. A lens means more in the ASA because of the smaller 12 ring and it's not in the center of the 10. I would say that the decent current PMR guys would score maybe just a few points less in PHC than they currently do in PMR. They give up their lens but the targets are 5 yards closer while the fixed pins would cost them about 6 or so points on 40 targets. I'm speculating the AHC guys would score some points lower in PHC than they do in AHC. The PHC courses will be over 10% longer than AHC courses. I know a 2 yard error on a 40 yard target isn't nearly as bad as a 2 yard error on a 45 yard target and yardage guessing can be more difficult on further targets. I know the difference between a 40 and a 45 yards class in the ASA is huge to me!!!!

    I would have simply made PHC a 50 yard class and put them on the PMR courses.

    Why doesn't the IBO simply have a "move up" requirement? Isn't the only difference between MBR and AHC is the stabilizer length and 5 yards?

    Assuming there are sponsors putting money on the table I expect PHC will draw some archers from other classes and possibly some currently dedicated ASA guys.
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    yes, well said. IBO is the only game in my area and the areas around me. some NFAA field but its either local club shoots (GSB) or IBO qualifiers for 3D . ASA is irrelevant here as said. NO presence at all.i dont under stand either we have plenty of power lines to walk up and down.


    Quote Originally Posted by nochance View Post
    With all due respect the ibo is alive an well in the North east. Are they perfect? Heck no. Growing like ASA? maybe not but still getting good turnouts. ASA could be considered irrelevant up here. They do not have a presence. I know a lot of people like ASA and I'm not knocking them but many in the NE cannot swing travelling to ASA country. I know people worked hard to get enough signatures to get this class added. Perhaps if people worked hard to get enough signatures for known yardage classes they might give it a try but of course the ASA fans have already written IBO off.
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    what might hurt for some of the guys as u mentioned eariler for numbers is their will be a number of hc and ahc will try the pbh class and find out not for them and now will be stuck at pro level and quit shooting because cant go back. thing is to win ibo u cant miss the 11's , 10s are like 8,s in asa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f166 View Post
    PHC should shoot 50 yards on the pro course. I don't see them setting a 45 yard.
    They already set a 45yd max stake! It isn't any extra work! FBO, MBR, MSR, MCBH and probably a few other classes already shoot that distance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoz View Post
    So has any of the people that are up in arms for a known class spear headed a petition or campaign to add these classes or is it just easy to type and complain?
    My understanding is that they had the opportunity. It was discussed, debated, and it didn't happen. This is a topic best suited while having a beer someday. Controversial issue, even though in my mind it shouldn't be.

    The goal should be to increase participation. That apparently isn't paramount.

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    Don't have a dog in this show but I don't see very much sponsor money coming to a Pro Bowhunter class. Manufacturers are struggling with what they pay right now. Having an entry fee that is roughly half what the Pro entry is make this class more of a Semipro class.

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    So in order for a top MBR shooter to go "pro pins" they have to switch to short bars but still shoot same max distance and perhaps same course anyway? SO the difference between a pro level pin shooter class and an amateur level pin shooter class is stab length in the reverse order one would logically think?
    I also have no dog in this fight, I'm a scope and slider shooter, but that seems a little squirly. Also I have friends who are upper echelon MBR shooters that I am trying to convince to shoot some Asa as well, this then means if they were to ahoot PHC, those guys would have to shoot pro level ASA even if they don't shoot their pins. Controversial.
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    Sounds good
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    Seems to me that people have more of a problem with the class name. What if it was called elite hunter or something. It's the pro that everyone wants to find fault in.

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    I'm curious how many of the top 100 in AHC and HC make the leap. They are already doing very well in those classes, why pay more? If there is more money, great, but I don't see many shooters being motivated to move to this class when they are doing well and paying less of an entry in AHC and HC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper1018 View Post
    So in order for a top MBR shooter to go "pro pins" they have to switch to short bars but still shoot same max distance and perhaps same course anyway? SO the difference between a pro level pin shooter class and an amateur level pin shooter class is stab length in the reverse order one would logically think?
    I also have no dog in this fight, I'm a scope and slider shooter, but that seems a little squirly. Also I have friends who are upper echelon MBR shooters that I am trying to convince to shoot some Asa as well, this then means if they were to ahoot PHC, those guys would have to shoot pro level ASA even if they don't shoot their pins. Controversial.
    Yep. However, they could shoot the ASA Semi-Pro classes. As it stands they would be required to shoot "Pro" in the NFAA. Let us not forget that shooting PHS would also require you to shoot a "Pro" at all state level shoots as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by deer down View Post
    Seems to me that people have more of a problem with the class name. What if it was called elite hunter or something. It's the pro that everyone wants to find fault in.
    The name of the class does not matter in anyway. The fact that it is considered a "pro" class by the IBO causes the problems. Maybe there will be a enough money by a major sponsor thrown on the table to make it a very popular class. That is about the only way it will draw a decent turn out and even then it would be guys that are already shooting tournaments in another class. If let's say CBE/Scott and Coca Cola put up a $10,000 pot for PHC. I fully expect some of the current best archers in the world would quickly be setting pins. Unless their sponsors don't put contingency money on the table for PHC. If the big companies don't pay contingency for PHC is it really a big league "Pro" class? The answer is "No". If the best 3D'ers aren't playing in PHC then at best it is a "Pro minor league" class.

    If there is enough money in PHC then Levi, Chance and Jack should jump in it. I just don't see the best archers being evenly divided between two pro classes. One class WILL be the "Big Dog" class and the other will be the " 'wanna be" class.

    Why not just raise the entry fee for MBR AND increase the payout for MBR? Why not have a "move up" requirement for the lower classes?

    There must be a big money sponsor that has basically paid the IBO to create PHC. Otherwise it defies logic as to why the IBO created PHC. I do NOT think there is anything wrong with an outside sponsor. In fact I think that would be great!
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    why is the semi pro class a popular class, by the same rights u already have the big dogs and the minor leagues semi pro, maybe make it semi pro open and pins?

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    your right kent, only one big dog class, lets hear your thoughts on the pro fingers class.. smh, I agree, if the ibo had changed the structure of the current pins classes it could be better, i for one think hunter should be a one year and out, after a year your no longer a beginner, put in a bump out rule for ahc, and make mbr a mandatory money class, the fact that you even have an option in either class is beyond me. either way i think the top guys in ahc and mbr should all be in one class regardless of the class name. hopefully some money will bring everyone to the class. time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deer down View Post
    your right kent, only one big dog class, lets hear your thoughts on the pro fingers class.. smh, I agree, if the ibo had changed the structure of the current pins classes it could be better, i for one think hunter should be a one year and out, after a year your no longer a beginner, put in a bump out rule for ahc, and make mbr a mandatory money class, the fact that you even have an option in either class is beyond me. either way i think the top guys in ahc and mbr should all be in one class regardless of the class name. hopefully some money will bring everyone to the class. time will tell.


    Where in the rule book does it call hunter a beginner class take a look at the scores pretty sure some of the best shooters in Ibo shooting there its not very hard to shoot in the top ten or twenty shooters when there only is 40 or 50 shooters little different when there is 200 shooters

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    Quote Originally Posted by T&A View Post
    Where in the rule book does it call hunter a beginner class take a look at the scores pretty sure some of the best shooters in Ibo shooting there its not very hard to shoot in the top ten or twenty shooters when there only is 40 or 50 shooters little different when there is 200 shooters
    It's listed under "Level Three - Entry Level Adult Classes". Not saying I agree or disagree with the post you are questioning. Just answering your question about the rules.
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    There are more women shooters every year if they are going to add classes one should be female advanced hunter yellow stake.
    Right now when women move out of hunter class it's a 10 yard jump no men's class has to jump 10.

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    the hunter was designed by the ibo as an entry level class to get the back yard shooters interested in the 3d sport. not meant to be shot year in year out, i agree some fantastic scores come out of that class, and those guys are the ones who should be shooting 40 or 45 yds pins classes, instead they love the high scores and hang in hunter class,

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    Quote Originally Posted by deer down View Post
    the hunter was designed by the ibo as an entry level class to get the back yard shooters interested in the 3d sport. not meant to be shot year in year out, i agree some fantastic scores come out of that class, and those guys are the ones who should be shooting 40 or 45 yds pins classes, instead they love the high scores and hang in hunter class,
    Is it the high scores or is it the prize money because there are so many shooters?

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    shot mbr for years and shot well my brother shoot shc this year he went up to ahc i went down to ahc so we could shoot together. We drive all these miles to shoot havent shot together in years decided if we r going to make the drives we want to shoot together. We just want to shoot if u want to force people out of one class to another in the end we just wont shoot. Its why we like the IBO
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    there is no money in hc, so its got to be the scores and the 35 yrd max that keeps the people there. as far as a force out rule, people need to remember these are national tournaments, and archers should shoot with people in there same skill level in my opinion. should be peered up at every shoot to

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    Quote Originally Posted by deer down View Post
    there is no money in hc, so its got to be the scores and the 35 yrd max that keeps the people there. as far as a force out rule, people need to remember these are national tournaments, and archers should shoot with people in there same skill level in my opinion. should be peered up at every shoot to
    Really? No cash prize?

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    Its funny all the complaining about this class is on here. I helped to get this going spear headed by Wes and all I hear is positive feed back. I sat at Stan booth for hours at marengo and no one said it was bad. The Ibo thrives on the HC. So why wouldn't they want to support that. Every single top level pin shooter I've met has been an awesome person. I shot pro and semi years ago and I've never seen so much grumbling over calls and rules. Jmho
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    right on, u win pin guy buys u the first round. thanks stoz for your your work

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    Don't take offense to this Stoz or Wes but. ...Two former Pro and Semi Pro shooters competing in an Adult Amature class is whats wrong with the IBO.

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