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  1. #151
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    I for one don't agree with with all your theories - having such a wide d loop will cause more string pinch pressure than a conventional loop without the serving due to the angle that's created with the serving being added and when the serving is unequal you're not drawing directly behind the arrow as you stated - the release will find the center of the loop, which in your case will be low. Not saying what you're doing is wrong - I just don't agree with it ... to each their own

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    Tag for tiring in a nock. Boom!!
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    awesome way to do this...i use this method religiously
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    I use just D loop without nock or serving material, Nylon string/cord. Short as possible and set it with D loop pliers, use first c-clip pliers stretching D-Loop and pre set knots, the you can get your D Loop plier pulling the knots tight.

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    Thank you so much for this post! I have been looking for this exact information. This is what makes AT great.

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    tagged for later, very good info.

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    Which way would a right handed shooter tire their d loop to avoid added peep twist? Can someone post a pic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJlungbuster View Post
    Which way would a right handed shooter tire their d loop to avoid added peep twist? Can someone post a pic?
    I really don't think this is an issue. You want the hitch knots tied opposite each other. I really feel most problems with D-loops and slipping or twisting is in the quality of the string and if it wants to twist or turn and the way the center serving is placed on the string. With my system the top knot of the D-loop has the larger load, if the serving is wound the wrong way for the shooter, then as the knot resists twisting in can tighten the underlying serve or loosen it. If it loosens it it will separate and loose it grip on the serving.
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    I have just used my new tied in nock sets to adjust nock height. Paper tuning and a nock high tear. Jiggle the d loop apart a bit and screw the nock sets down a turn, presto, bullet hole! Thanks Deezlin for the info. Now if mine looked as good but hey, they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer View Post
    I for one don't agree with with all your theories - having such a wide d loop will cause more string pinch pressure than a conventional loop without the serving due to the angle that's created with the serving being added and when the serving is unequal you're not drawing directly behind the arrow as you stated - the release will find the center of the loop, which in your case will be low. Not saying what you're doing is wrong - I just don't agree with it ... to each their own
    Not agreeing with ^^^^ but not disagreeing either I was wondering if we could debate the topic as it relates to the op
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    No. I am not interested in a debate. I am note theorizing. If you would do some experimenting instead of debating you would find this nockset system is a lot better than just a loop.
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    Tag good info

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutcase View Post
    Can someone explain how this is better than the "pro shops" and people that just tie a d-loop with no nocksets. I think i know but i would like one of the pro's to explain it
    It could be one of a couple reasons. Some may not know about tying nocksets inside the loop or don't believe the virtues of it. A pro-shop most likely doesn't have a PRO working there; just a shop owner and a bow technician or two. Some might just be lazy and don't want to take the time. They may have an attitude of "Get you out the door and shooting". Time is money, as they say.

    Here is another thing that many do not know. Prior to installing a D-loop you might want to apply some string wax where it will get tied. Also wax the D-loop material. This reduces friction between the loop material and serving and allows the loop to pull tighter when you stretch it out. The tighter it is the less chance of it swinging around the string when the bow is shot.
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    Well written tutorial!

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    I respectively disagree with your theory and the use of nock sets inside of a D loop - I for one have never had a D loop change it's position once I've tightened it. You'll have a better chance of pinching the nock with your method. By widening the D loop you're creating additional force toward the nock, from the top and the bottom, pushing on the nock sets. With a conventional D loop the force is directed pretty much straight back. To each his own - just my 2 cents.

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    I just tried the serving above and below the nock with the D loop on the outside for the first time.
    I like it.
    My arrow is coming off cleaner than ever before ( and yes, i know the proper way to tie a D Loop).
    I also shot perfect bullet holes using my shooter through paper with both a fletched and bare shaft arrow.
    It's also a lot easier for me to to connect my release with the larger D loop.
    I'm not saying it's better or worse than just a D Loop; to each their own, but I do like it and think I'll stick with it.
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    Great post!

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    Here is another depiction. D Loop.PNG

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    Question.... I understand your theory on the larger serving on the bottom to put more downward pressure on the arrow at the sight, but I use a whisker biscuit. Should I still try this?

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    I realize that this thread is ancient, but just wanted to give props to the OP for a well photo documented and easy to follow how-to thread. I was able to look and read just once before replicating this myself.
    Thanks!

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