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    United States Outfitters

    Anyone have any information on United States Outfitters. I am looking to do an elk hunt in New Mexico. Any info would be appreciated.

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    All I can say is stay away from them. Others may want to go into detail.

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    stay away

    Please do not book with USO. They have done more damage to the hunting industry than even the anti hunters. They took Arizona to court to sue to raise the non resident limit on tags. It about killed hunting for resisdents of Arizona. When they go into an area, a public area, they try to block other hunters from the area. There are much better outfitters out there. It is your money, but I would advise against using them. Contact some of the guides in AZ, NV and NM and ask them what they think of old george and his outfit.
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    $$$$$$$

    did you ever wonder what happened to the world of hunting? it turned into a money game. USO is the main reason why! my father owns land right next to them in NEW MEXICO, it always makes me wonder where they find guys who will pay $5000.00 to elk hunt public land. it is crazy!

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    Thumbs down Uso

    Because of this outfit, we ALL{res and non-res} pay alot more to hunt Az. Not a good outfit to support.

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    George Taulman, Taos, NM, who was charged with one felony violation of the Lacey Act,

    Press Release Issued by the Office of U.S. Attorney, District of Arizona:

    The U.S. Attorney's Office and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced the indictment of two individuals and a corporation by a federal grand jury for violations of federal wildlife laws stemming from an investigation dubbed "Operation Navajo Buck," conducted during 1998 and 1999.


    The investigation, which began in 1998, focused on several big game guides based in Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico, who were suspected of unlawfully using aircraft prior to and during hunting seasons to locate deer and elk for hunting clients in Northern Arizona. The investigation also focused on illegal guiding and hunting on the Navajo Indian Reservation. To date, 12 individuals have been convicted of federal violations and have paid in excess of $85,000 in fines and have forfeited one aircraft and unlawfully taken wildlife.


    Indicted was a big game outfitter George Taulman, Taos, NM, who was charged with one felony violation of the Lacey Act, two felony violations of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, and two misdemeanor violations of the Airborne Hunting Act. The felony violation of the Lacey Act alleges that an elk was taken by a paid hunting client with the aid of an aircraft in 1998.

    The felony conspiracy relates to hunts in 1998 and 1999 that Taulman conspired to use aircraft to aid hunting clients in the taking of elk. Taulman's business, United States Outfitter, Inc., was also indicted on three felony counts related to the 1998 and 1999 hunts. Forfeiture of a Cessna 182 aircraft allegedly used during the hunts is required in the indictment.

    In addition, United States Outfitter's David Holton, III, of Lake Montezuma, AZ, was indicted on one felony violation of the Lacey Act, one felony violation of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act, and one misdemeanor violation of the Airborne Hunting Act. All violations relate to an elk hunt conducted in 1998 near Payson, AZ, in which it is alleged that a paid hunting client took an elk with the aid of an aircraft.


    The Lacey Act is a Federal wildlife law which makes it unlawful to transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase wildlife which was taken, transported, possessed, or sold in violation of State, Federal, or Indian tribal laws or regulations. Felony violations of the Lacey Act carry maximum fines of up to $25,000 for persons, $500,000 for a corporation, and up to five years in prison. All vehicles and aircraft used in violation of the felony provisions of the Lacey Act are subject to forfeiture.


    The Airborne Hunting Act is a Federal wildlife law which makes it unlawful to shoot animals from an aircraft or to harass animals with an aircraft. The Airborne Hunting Act Regulations prohibit a person, while on the ground, from taking or attempting to take wildlife by means, aid, or use of an aircraft. Maximum penalty for violations for the Airborne Hunting Act include fines up to $100,000 for a person, and $200,000 for a corporation, and one year in prison.


    An indictment is simply the method by which a person is charged with criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. A person is presumed innocent until competent evidence is presented to a jury that established guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The investigation that led to the indictments was conducted by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service with assistance from the Arizona Game and Fish Department. The prosecution is being handled by the U.S. Attorney's Office, District of Arizona, In Phoenix, AZ.

    A defendant was sentenced by the U.S. Magistrate in Phoenix, AZ for violating the Lacey Act predicated by tribal law. He had purchased a bull elk hunting permit from a tribal member and killed a 6x6 trophy bull elk on the White Mountain Apache Reservation. The defendant was sentenced to pay $15,000 restitution to the White Mountain Apache Reservation, three years probation, and no hunting/fishing for three years. The 6x6 bull elk was forfeited to the government.
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    George is sue happy

    Nonresident landowners not entitled to same hunting rights as resident landowners

    U.S. Senior District Judge Wesley E. Brown, Wichita, has issued a summary judgment order in favor of defendant Mike Hayden, in his official capacity as secretary of the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. Summary judgment is a legal term which means that a court -- in this case the judge applying facts presented by both plaintiff and defendant -- has made a legal determination without a full trial.

    The order stemmed from a lawsuit filed by George Taulman, a New Mexico resident who owns two ranches in western Kansas. As a nonresident landowner, Taulman is not allowed to obtain a special transferable Hunt-Own-Land deer permit. In addition, because his land is in turkey management Unit 4 and he is a nonresident, he is ineligible for the limited number of turkey permits reserved for the resident-only drawing in that unit.

    Taulman argued that as a nonresident landowner, he should have equal access to wildlife on his land as resident landowners do on their land. This would allow him -- and all other nonresident landowners -- to apply for turkey permits in Unit 4, as well as obtain a special transferable Hunt-Own-Land deer permit -- which allows the taking of mule deer or white-tailed deer in any season with equipment legal for that season -- and then transfer that deer permit to a lineal or collateral relative.
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    After many years and hundreds of thousands of dollars, the federal courts found for M

    The Arizona Game and Fish Commission (AGFC) was sued by New Mexico outfitter George Taulman because of a perceived disparity in the way nonresident tags are issued in Arizona. Mr. Taulman and his attorneys maintained the dormant commerce clause of the United States Constitution prohibited the AGFC from setting a ten percent cap on bull elk tags and antlered deer tags (north of the Colorado River) issued to nonresidents. It was Taulman’s belief that when the AGFC set the ten percent cap on these hunts, they discriminated against all nonresidents.

    After many years and hundreds of thousands of dollars, the federal courts found for Mr. Taulman and against the (AGFC).
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    I think you get the idea

    Stay away from USO!!
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    That is all I need to know. Any GOOD outfitters out in New Mexico? If you know of any, let me know. Arizona included. Thanks for all the help. I am soooo glad I asked ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PREZ View Post
    That is all I need to know. Any GOOD outfitters out in New Mexico? If you know of any, let me know. Arizona included. Thanks for all the help. I am soooo glad I asked ...
    I assume you know that you need to draw in NM or AZ... or buy a landowner tag?

    I have never hunted with him, but if I ever go to AZ, Perry Hunsaker of Timberline Outfitters would be on one. Their website: http://www.timberlineoutfitters.com/

    Good Luck

    Rob

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    too late for AZ

    Arizona already closed the deadline for elk and antelope tags.
    Greg Kroegh of Mollogon Rim outfitters is outstanding. He guides in Az and NV
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    Worst tresspassers in the west.

    They cater to the scum hunters in America, with money.

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    I totaly agree with everyone. USO is one of the worst things to happen to hunting in some time.. Money and greed will be the down fall for hunting and USO is leading the way!
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    N.M outfitter

    prez, give Mick Chapel a call http://www.nmtrophyhunts.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by archeryshot View Post
    prez, give Mick Chapel a call http://www.nmtrophyhunts.com/
    Has anyone tried their drop camp option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc130 View Post
    Please do not book with USO. They have done more damage to the hunting industry than even the anti hunters. They took Arizona to court to sue to raise the non resident limit on tags. It about killed hunting for resisdents of Arizona. When they go into an area, a public area, they try to block other hunters from the area. There are much better outfitters out there. It is your money, but I would advise against using them. Contact some of the guides in AZ, NV and NM and ask them what they think of old george and his outfit.

    Actually, they killed it for non residents !!! The ruling was overturned and now the nonresident cap is less than 10 % . Non resident tag prices have also gone up. Taulman is a scumbag, do yourself a favor and find some other outfitter.

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