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    A possible lightweight alternative to climbing sticks?

    Just a thought, but a rock climbing friend showed me this and I was wondering if you could apply it to bowhunting. It's 6.5 feet long, weighs 6 ounces, can fold up really small, and costs $45. It's called a Yates Big Wall Ladder.



    I'm thinking two of these would go real nice with a tree saddle for a quiet lightweight mobile setup. I could easily get 15 feet high with two of these rope ladders.

    My only question is what is the best way to use these to safely climb a tree? You'd have to somehow secure the top and bottom to the tree so it didn't move when you climbed it. Maybe a ratchet strap on the top and bottom, with a spacer to push the ladder out from the tree a couple of inches....

    Any ideas on how to make something like this work? Or am I completely nuts?
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    i wouldnt want to climb up or down that in the dark

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    Quote Originally Posted by frickpse View Post
    i wouldnt want to climb up or down that in the dark

    It seems no more dangerous than trying to climb down a Lone Wolf climbing stick in the dark. At least your feet are enclosed and can't slip off the tiny little foot peg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frickpse View Post
    i wouldnt want to climb up or down that in the dark
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    Interesting! They definitely would be lightweight. But I agree with frickpse about trying to get my feet into those dancing loops in the dark wearing bulky boots (especially if the weather is nasty). Regarding attaching them to a tree, since they are non-rigid, you would already need a method of climbing the tree just to attach the upper portion of each section (thereby rendering obsolete the need for the rope ladder anyway).

    At $45 a pop (x2) your looking at about enough money to get a set of decent climbing sticks without having to engineer a method of using them that may/may not be efficient or safe.

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    I think these could work really well along with my tree saddle for a lightweight mobile setup. I want to get a mile or two back into the woods without working up a sweat.

    Since they are 6 feet long, I don't think you'd need to climb the tree to attach the strap around the top of the rope ladder. I'm 6 feet tall, so I'd be working at eye level. I think I'd just strap the top and bottom to the tree, climb up to the top rung (using a climbing harness of course) and then attach the next one and continue up six more feet.

    I think I could get up to 15 feet with two of them. The best part is I could carry my "climbing ladder" in my backback and it wouldn't take up much space or weight (less than one pound).

    They also make a 5 foot version that sells for $40. Maybe three 5 footers would be the ticket.

    I'm looking for something where I could hike a mile or two back into the big woods and hunt. Something even lighter and more mobile than Lone Wolf sticks....

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    Only one real way to find out, just have to go out and try it and see what you think.

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    you would not be able to get them tight against the tree or you won't be able to slip your foot into the stirrup so to speak. if they are lashed tight to a tree you would only be able to get the tip of your boot into the step part. very interesting idea though as i also pack in sometimes 5 or 6 miles and they would be very lighweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gzg38b View Post

    I think I could get up to 15 feet with two of them. The best part is I could carry my "climbing ladder" in my backback and it wouldn't take up much space or weight (less than one pound).

    They also make a 5 foot version that sells for $40. Maybe three 5 footers would be the ticket.

    So did you ever try this? I am thinking it could at least be a way to add 5ft to a set of climbing sticks by attaching it to the bottom stick

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    I have seen this or similar used by attaching it to the base of a lone wolf or similar stick, I believe the user sets the first stick as high as he can reach and then hang one of these from it.

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    I have this set up connected to my first LW stick, it is impossible to slide your boot in the steps if the rope ladder is strapped to the tree, also if you don't strap it you go swinging around the tree like some kind of camo acrobat. I haven't given up on the idea yet and I will monkey with it again in spring . I one could design some kind of spacer system as mentioned earlier then this system will work I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4mula View Post
    So did you ever try this? I am thinking it could at least be a way to add 5ft to a set of climbing sticks by attaching it to the bottom stick
    I think there is a youtube video where a guy uses thes as the bottom sections of his ladder setup, then takes them with on the way out.
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    IMO the "Best" way about setting something like this up would be to use a screw in bolt with a hook shape at the end to catch the edge of the rope. They would have to be 1.5"+ long bolts to give your foot some room to fit in the ladder. I've really debated on making myself something like this, but setting one up would take twice as long as climbing sticks or screw in steps.. You would have to screw in each step, then work your way up. Plus it could get tangled, poor footing for nerve wracking early morning & night hunts. The Pros do not outweigh the Cons for this one.

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    Here are a couple of options:

    Hunting Climbing Stick Modification - Higher, Fas…: http://youtu.be/pPU6UtQHNbc

    1 stick.MP4: http://youtu.be/7NcroPLbzPc

    Or look up climb paws.

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    how would you attach them to the tree?
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    I tried this route, and I couldn't do it. Was near impossible going up & coming down was even harder. HAS to be a better way, trust me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blevinsbulldog View Post
    I think it would be very possible to gain a few extra feet with a set up, but if anyone could make something so one could do this with the longer 7ft rope now that would be something.
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    There is a thread on here "Climbing 17+ Feet with Two muddy sticks" using this exact method. I do something a little different and deemed "crazy" by most people. I use ONE stick with a five step Black Diamond aider with my Guidos Web. When I set my stick the top of it is exactly 7.5' off the ground. I climb to the top of that and then set my rope I hang from with the web. Then I simply swing off to the left, grab the stick and move it up the tree. Then I step back in the aider and climb to the top. I repeat this until I am as high as I want.

    Typically on a clean tree it takes me five moves to be 22 feet or so. I took reflective tacks and put them on each step so I can easily see them in the dark. I used that method all year without one single mishap or anything even close to slipping or getting out of control. You actually want the bottom to swing free on them so you can kick the aider out from the tree and put your foot in. I can climb up and down mine fast it just takes practice. The trick is putting your foot half way into the aider and put the tip of your boot right into the tree.
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    Call me crazy but I just don't fully understand what the problem is with carrying 25-30 lbs 1/2 to 1 mi in. You don't even need to be a quarter of Cameron Hanes. Simple solution: lift and run just a little and you won't ever complain about carrying a treestand again. Most likely you will think it's just silly to do so. I mean it isn't like you are going 4mi. into the back country with 60lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredGarvin View Post
    Call me crazy but I just don't fully understand what the problem is with carrying 25-30 lbs 1/2 to 1 mi in. You don't even need to be a quarter of Cameron Hanes. Simple solution: lift and run just a little and you won't ever complain about carrying a treestand again. Most likely you will think it's just silly to do so. I mean it isn't like you are going 4mi. into the back country with 60lbs.
    I film my hunts and have camera gear to carry as well. That's my reason for going lighter. I'm in pretty good shape but I see no reason to carry more weight than I really need to. And plus I just like using my web way better than a stand. I feel safer and can hunt any tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flinginairos View Post
    I film my hunts and have camera gear to carry as well. That's my reason for going lighter. I'm in pretty good shape but I see no reason to carry more weight than I really need to. And plus I just like using my web way better than a stand. I feel safer and can hunt any tree.
    Kudos to you. It's still silly to watch this quest to go as light as possible unfold for a 30min max stroll into hunt for a full day at most (probably more like til noon). It's funny is all I'm saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredGarvin View Post
    Kudos to you. It's still silly to watch this quest to go as light as possible unfold for a 30min max stroll into hunt for a full day at most (probably more like til noon). It's funny is all I'm saying.
    I get ya. Yeah carrying some weight a small distance is no big deal. I've done it for years lol. I am liking my lighter set up though and I don't sacrifice any comfort either so it's a win/win.
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