NAA Investigation

[TWEELOW]

You all have been way to quite about the NAA for to long now. Correct me if Im wrong but given that an election is to take place in less then two weeks aren't we supposed to have ballots 30 days prior to the elections? This violates the constitution. What gives, Is Brad Camp truely playing to the beat of his own music. Maybe he should have stayed home from Germany and got his work done.


Now for the really juicy stuff. There was an independent audit of the NAA books and it seems as thought there is around 250,000.00 missing/in somebody elses pockets. No not a rumor but you can look up the info on the El paso County Court web page and find it there. Its all true. Seems to me that money was leaving and someone was sleeping or getting a take as well. No wounder people have been asked to leave and been told to keep there mouth shut if they know whats good for them.


As the NAA world turns. Should be interesting to see how this all shakes out. Looks like maybe this shake up has been long over due!

[BHNTR1]

My, My, This should get entertaining before to long.

[Paradoxical Cat]

Do you have a link to this alleged filing? I can't find it.

[Big Country]

TWEELOW, please provide a link to this info.

I am not disputing your claim, but this is just too serious to be left here without verification.

Thank`s...

[TexARC]

http://www.gofourth.org is the website, I think, though I have not found anything pertinent there (yet) . Perhaps someone else will be more successful...

[oldreliable67]

Was browsing around the cited website, looking (unsuccessfully, so far) for info on the alleged embezzlement. Didn't find anything about that, but noticed who the County Clerk and Recorder is: none other than Bob Balink, former Executive Director of the NAA. (BTW, the county recorder function has nothing to do with any investigation or prosecution of the alleged incident.)

[spangler]

http://adm2.elpasoco.com/countypress...rrent&offset=0
http://www.elpasoco.com/

Those are the El Paso County websites. The search function on them shows nothing related to these claims.

Google links:
Searching the news:
http://news.google.com/news?q=audit+...=1&sa=N&tab=wn
http://news.google.com/news?client=f...nG=Search+News
http://news.google.com/news?client=f...nG=Search+News


the web...
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&...%20association




Since you seem to know where information is Twee, how about providing it? Libel isn't a joke.

-Andrew

[JOADMom]

http://usarchery.myicontrol.com/html...overnance.html

[BHNTR1]

Originally Posted by spangler

http://adm2.elpasoco.com/countypress...rrent&offset=0
http://www.elpasoco.com/

Those are the El Paso County websites. The search function on them shows nothing related to these claims.

Google links:
Searching the news:
http://news.google.com/news?q=audit+...=1&sa=N&tab=wn
http://news.google.com/news?client=f...nG=Search+News
http://news.google.com/news?client=f...nG=Search+News


the web...
http://www.google.com/search?tab=nw&...%20association




Since you seem to know where information is Twee, how about providing it? Libel isn't a joke.

-Andrew

Spangler, Figure out the name of the person arrested and you can find all the info you want. This in fact did happen. I personally confirmed it with a reliable source at the Police department. (namely my brother who is a cop)

I doubt this will be the last arrest before this one is over with!

[Miles Gloriosus]

This is the best topic ever. I sincerely hope that the NAA's top brass is linked to terrorism and a Jewish conspiracy against Aryan supremacy before this thread is deleted.

[spangler]

Originally Posted by BHNTR1

Spangler, Figure out the name of the person arrested and you can find all the info you want. This in fact did happen. I personally confirmed it with a reliable source at the Police department. (namely my brother who is a cop)

I doubt this will be the last arrest before this one is over with!

Interesting. So, who was arrested? Since you know and have confirmed it can you please provide the name? When did it happen?

-Andrew

[Paradoxical Cat]

I am sorry, but this is getting to be "a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend's roomate told me, and I heard it on the corner, so it must be true."

If this is true, please post a link to a report, either in the media, the NAA website, or in court papers. These are serious allegations and, if false, may make this thread libelous.

PC-

[Spots_N_Dots]

Wow,

I'd love to be the first one to say "I told you so", but it's probably best to hold off 'till it's in the news

FYI, I believe if you want arrest records, you'll have to fill out the forms and pay the fee.....it's a mail thing.

I could be wrong, but in our state, it's not posted on the web.

[spangler]

Originally Posted by Spots_N_Dots

Wow,

I'd love to be the first one to say "I told you so", but it's probably best to hold off 'till it's in the news

FYI, I believe if you want arrest records, you'll have to fill out the forms and pay the fee.....it's a mail thing.

I could be wrong, but in our state, it's not posted on the web.

Good point, but the office over there in El Paso County seems to be pretty darn good about posting news releases up about investigations and information. There is nothing about this alleged issue so far.

*shrug* If a quarter of a million dollars is found to be missing and arrests are made, the local reporters will be all over it. It will be in the news. I'll gladly accept that something fishy is going on at that point...but until then I wish this thread could be removed from existance.

Right now Google shows nothing in the news about NAA and embezzelment, but soon it will show one thing, this thread where so far only unfounded claims have been made. This thread should be removed before google indexes it unless someone can provide proof of claims made.

-Andrew

[target1]

I heard about it too...but it is totally unsubstantiated.

[c3hammer]

I called the district attourny's office. There is a case open and arrest made. The case number is 07CR3003.

It's a sad sad day

pete

[RecordKeeper]

I am going to leave this thread up for now.

Please, do NOT name names or post unsubstantiated speculation, or the thread will have to be locked or deleted.

Thanks,

RK
ArcheryTalk.com Administrator

[Steve N]

I did a Google search for "07CR3003" and "el paso county", a search for "07CR3003" and "el paso", and aearch for "07CR300" and "docket" and go no results each time. I also did a search on http://www.elpasoco.com/ for "07CR300" and got nothing. However, if this still being investigate by the DA, there may be nothing on the web yet.

[CM JOAD]

Originally Posted by TWEELOW

Now for the really juicy stuff. There was an independent audit of the NAA books and it seems as thought there is around 250,000.00 missing/in somebody elses pockets. No not a rumor but you can look up the info on the El paso County Court web page and find it there. Its all true. Seems to me that money was leaving and someone was sleeping or getting a take as well. No wounder people have been asked to leave and been told to keep there mouth shut if they know whats good for them.

As the NAA world turns. Should be interesting to see how this all shakes out. Looks like maybe this shake up has been long over due!

If true, this would certainly explain why the NAA needed so many "unfunded" events for compounders.

[Archerone]

I called the Court and after a long wait gave them the Case number. It is a Case with two over $15,000 charges. I will not leave a name because I do not know this person and if they have any ties to the NAA.

[CM JOAD]

Originally Posted by Recordkeeper

I am going to leave this thread up for now.

Please, do NOT name names or post unsubstantiated speculation, or the thread will have to be locked or deleted.

Thanks,

RK
ArcheryTalk.com Administrator

It would seem to me that this is not the only thread that suffers from "unsubstantiated speculation". If you shut down all "unsubstantiated speculation", A/T would get substantially smaller.

[RecordKeeper]

Originally Posted by CM JOAD

It would seem to me that this is not the only thread that suffers from "unsubstantiated speculation". If you shut down all "unsubstantiated speculation", A/T would get substantially smaller.

While there is certainly truth to the statement that there is "unsubstantiated speculation" on AT, our objective in this instance is to prevent unwarranted reputational (and perhaps even financial) harm to individuals and/organizations.

I'm sure we can all agree that this is a volatile and very sensitive matter. I'd rather not see rumor and innuendo fill the gaps in known facts.

[CM JOAD]

Originally Posted by Recordkeeper

While there is certainly truth to the statement that there is "unsubstantiated speculation" on AT, our objective in this instance is to prevent unwarranted reputational (and perhaps even financial) harm to individuals and/organizations.

I'm sure we can all agree that this is a volatile and very sensitive matter. I'd rather not see rumor and innuendo fill the gaps in known facts.

Interesting! Without "unsubstantiated speculation", there hasn't been a post in over two hours!

[Archerone]

Originally Posted by CM JOAD

Interesting! Without "unsubstantiated speculation", there hasn't been a post in over two hours!

The problem is that we do not have any official paperwork to back the reason that this person has been charged. The person had worked for the NAA and has been charged with two counts. That is where it ends for now until a news agency or a local goes to the Court and gets the official account to print. I do not think speculating the amount, the when, the where, and why does nothing but to add to the confusion.
Also I think the USOC, NAA, and Colorado Springs are going to keep this quiet because all scandals hurt their funding and the sport involved.

[Hutnicks]

Originally Posted by CM JOAD

It would seem to me that this is not the only thread that suffers from "unsubstantiated speculation". If you shut down all "unsubstantiated speculation", A/T would get substantially smaller.

Are you saying then that AT is Unsubstantially large

[Paradoxical Cat]

Originally Posted by Hutnicks

Are you saying then that AT is Unsubstantially large

I think that this is unsubstantiated speculation at best.

[tedzpony]

I think what is probably most problematic about this thread, is that TWEELOW has not has the courtesy to return to answer the questions that are being asked about his assertions. Others have done some substantial legwork to learn case numbers, find out about arrests, etc., but all of that is still completely insubstantial when it comes to any details, which TWEELOW, right from the beginning, claimed to have seen. In fact, nothing that anyone has found out even proves that any of this has anything to do with NAA.

TWEELOW, you seem to have started a thread, stirred a pot of stew, and bailed out on it, having cast serious aspersions at a group of people who are, I am postive, very hard working and dedicated to their sport, to their jobs, and to their personal honor and integrity. It's time you be a man and either provide some proof of what you've said, or own up to your mistake an apologize.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by tedzpony

I think what is probably most problematic about this thread, is that TWEELOW has not has the courtesy to return to answer the questions that are being asked about his assertions. Others have done some substantial legwork to learn case numbers, find out about arrests, etc., but all of that is still completely insubstantial when it comes to any details, which TWEELOW, right from the beginning, claimed to have seen. In fact, nothing that anyone has found out even proves that any of this has anything to do with NAA.

TWEELOW, you seem to have started a thread, stirred a pot of stew, and bailed out on it, having cast serious aspersions at a group of people who are, I am postive, very hard working and dedicated to their sport, to their jobs, and to their personal honor and integrity. It's time you be a man and either provide some proof of what you've said, or own up to your mistake an apologize.

Case numbers were provided and calls were made. We know the name of the individual directly related to the case number given and I can say the individual played a significant role at the NAA. I do not know the specifics or details; therefore until a press or court document is publicly released or acquired then we should not post any names.

[Hutnicks]

Originally Posted by Doc

Case numbers were provided and calls were made. We know the name of the individual directly related to the case number given and I can say the individual played a significant role at the NAA. I do not know the specifics or details; therefore until a press or court document is publicly released or acquired then we should not post any names.

Jesus but these I've got a secret threads are becoming annoying. For all anyone knows Joe NAA could be fighting unpaid traffic fines on that docket!

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Hutnicks

Jesus but these I've got a secret threads are becoming annoying. For all anyone knows Joe NAA could be fighting unpaid traffic fines on that docket!

I agree and I would prefer that people start a thread once they have confirmed substantiated information
Newspaper article
Press release
Court document and summary

And we would also prefer people refrain from using an ALTER username when starting sensitive threads like this. Therefore I am locking this one down until somebody PM's me bona-fide info on this one.

[TWEELOW]

Sorry I have been slow in getting back here, but my job is very demanding. C3 Hammer has posted the case # that involves the individual who was arrested on the 23rd of this month. As far as the public records go, they are going to be slow in updating as there is a ongoing investigation. At this time I cant reveal my source in this matter but I will say it is a credible one, as she works in the court house. A phone call to the DA's office or the court house and you can get all the info you want on this case.

As BHNTR1 posted, you all should have seen this coming, He made valid points some time ago about what is going on in the NAA. Unfortunately I see a few more arrests coming before this is over with!

As far as posting any court documents that are available I will not do that until this is farther down the road as I agree with Recordkeeper on keeping the name of the arrested person on the QT for now. Those that have fallowed the NAA problems and have paid attention to what has been going on have figured it out by now. Sorry that Im being a bit vague on this, its just the way it is for now. As far as you that are the arm chair investigators and are in disbelief and are looking for more proof, make the phone call to the DA,s office.

[limbwalker]

make the phone call to the DA,s office.

Good idea! I know the DA I work with never has anything more important to do than to sit around and wait on hundreds of archers to call them, so they can spew out information about a case!

John.

[Jim C]

Originally Posted by limbwalker

Good idea! I know the DA I work with never has anything more important to do than to sit around and wait on hundreds of archers to call them, so they can spew out information about a case!

John.

The Court number is a public record and if you are willing to pay the fee you can pull up the docket. In my county such information if available for free

[Archerone]

Originally Posted by Jim C

The Court number is a public record and if you are willing to pay the fee you can pull up the docket. In my county such information if available for free

If this happened on the 23rd then that is why it is not in the El Paso County Court online Case search. It has not had time to be entered into their online system.

[Jim C]

Originally Posted by Archerone

If this happened on the 23rd then that is why it is not in the El Paso County Court online Case search. It has not had time to be entered into their online system.

dont know, the site i went to wanted a credit card. I don't know how busy the court system is there.

[Archerone]

Originally Posted by Jim C

dont know, the site i went to wanted a credit card. I don't know how busy the court system is there.

Jim try this link,

http://www.co.el-paso.tx.us/JimsSear...cordSearch.htm

[Hutnicks]

So if in fact there is any reality to this being an ongoing investigtion, and more arrests are to be made. What is the implication when someone flees to Venezuela and claims they were tipped off by AT?

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by Archerone

Jim try this link,

http://www.co.el-paso.tx.us/JimsSear...cordSearch.htm

Umm.....that link is for El Paso County, Texas.

[Archerone]

Originally Posted by Hollywood

Umm.....that link is for El Paso County, Texas.

Ooops!!!!

[BHNTR1]

Originally Posted by Hutnicks

So if in fact there is any reality to this being an ongoing investigtion, and more arrests are to be made. What is the implication when someone flees to Venezuela and claims they were tipped off by AT?

Your just the realist aren't ya!!!! It amazes me how many people are still in denial about this.



The system I used is Lexus-Nexus, Unfortunately your gonna need to pay a fee. As far as what Tweelow said about on going investigation..... Im sure if you all look deep enough you can figure the rest out.


And no Im not posting what I have as not to jeopardize my sources job.