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    Forest Service Invests in Tasers

    Is it reasonable for the forest service to have tasers?

    http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/110107EB.shtml

    I'm definitey no comfortable with all the taser rage. Seems like the policing of americans is definitely increasing as a whole.

    http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2008...ed-tasers.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbalger View Post
    Is it reasonable for the forest service to have tasers?

    http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/110107EB.shtml

    I'm definitey no comfortable with all the taser rage. Seems like the policing of americans is definitely increasing as a whole.

    http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2008...ed-tasers.html
    I guess we're all afraid of the those things we know nothing about.

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    What is it you are afraid of, that you know nothing about?

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    I think Tasers are a great thing... I would prefer to see lethal force used more often though. it would save a lot of money... You run from the police when they catch you they kill you.

    come at the cops with a knife just shoot em

    idiot with a gun is holding people hostage... no negotiating, put a bullet through their head.

    People will stop committing crimes if they know they will die, not if they will get 5 years in jail

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    Cops in the city, with tasers, no problem.

    But do we need them in the forrests?

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    Hello Sbalger,

    Cops in the city, with tasers, no problem.

    But do we need them in the forrests?
    Yes definitely.

    To protect us from bears, deer, antelope, elk, skunks, opossums, rats,
    mice, and those critters that wear masks to hide their identity.


    Dwayne (A real mountain man)
    Barebow attitude: I sure hope I hit that bullseye!
    Compound attitude:I sure hope I dont miss that bullseye!
    Archers Attitude:I sure hope I can help this guy hit the bullseye.
    If shooting a Doe is pointless, Is the shooting of a Buck a way of racking up points?

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    I guess the question I have is, do the Duck Cops need tasers for bad guys or for the wildlife, like the link below.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9rXDmRasJs

    I would like to see some data showing how often wardens actually have to go hands-on with violators.

    Good tool, none the less.
    Last edited by i_arch_360; January 11th, 2008 at 12:37 PM.

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    The U.S. Forest Service is a federal law enforcement agency. Anyone breaking federal laws in National Forests are their responsibility.

    They already have firearms.

    Adding tasers to their list of available equipment gives them another non-lethal option to capture and arrest the bad guys.

    I don't know why they waited so long?


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    Oh the good ole days, when a criminal resisted arrest, someone got a good beating, or got killed. {Not always the bad guy} With the taser he doesn't even need a trip to the hospital. How can that be bad?
    aimhard


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    Obedience to the law is demanded as a right; not asked as a favor. – Theodore Roosevelt (December 7, 1903)

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    I watched a show on Yosemite, Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone National Parks the other day. Rangers never used to even go armed at all, and didn't need to. Too many buttheads around now to let them be endangered. As a hunter here in the National Forests on the West Coast, I also need to be on the lookout for marijuana farms and the illegals farming there and full auto armed, plus booby traps.

    I say give the Rangers full body armor with a chain gun mounted to it that shoots following their line of sight.

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    Think about the bright side Sbalger! 95% of the people getting tased in the forest will be Mexican.


    Awesome!


    The other 5% are probably Jewish. Win win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    I watched a show on Yosemite, Grand Canyon, and Yellowstone National Parks the other day. Rangers never used to even go armed at all, and didn't need to. Too many buttheads around now to let them be endangered. As a hunter here in the National Forests on the West Coast, I also need to be on the lookout for marijuana farms and the illegals farming there and full auto armed, plus booby traps.

    I say give the Rangers full body armor with a chain gun mounted to it that shoots following their line of sight.
    The other big one I'm seeing is Meth labs in the forrest, It makes sense that if these rangers are sworn law enforcement they should have the tools to do the job.

    On a side note SBalger, Tasers actually reduce the incidents where officers have to go hands on with a bad guy. This reduces the likelihood that an officer will be injured in the line of duty which would be paid for with our tax dollars. I say give them a few hundred dollar taser and a little training just for the fact that it'll save the several thousand dollar hospital bill or worse.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_arch_360 View Post
    The other big one I'm seeing is Meth labs in the forrest, It makes sense that if these rangers are sworn law enforcement they should have the tools to do the job.

    On a side note SBalger, Tasers actually reduce the incidents where officers have to go hands on with a bad guy. This reduces the likelihood that an officer will be injured in the line of duty which would be paid for with our tax dollars. I say give them a few hundred dollar taser and a little training just for the fact that it'll save the several thousand dollar hospital bill or worse.....

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    Hello Seth,

    Think about the bright side Sbalger! 95% of the people getting tased in the forest will be Mexican.


    Awesome!


    The other 5% are probably Jewish. Win win!
    You owe me a keyboard and screen.... My is now full of Pop...

    Dwayne
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    If shooting a Doe is pointless, Is the shooting of a Buck a way of racking up points?

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    hehe


    If I'd have known you were going to be reading, I would have thrown a Mooselim in the mix.

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    Hilarious

    Seth,

    You truly made me laugh. I'm imagining Mexicans and Jews getting tazed in the forest. ..at a 95:5 ratio nonetheless!

    I've been reading a few of your posts and you are on a roll in a number of threads! Keep up the great posts.... you've totally got your schtick.

    Personally I think the tazers are overkill, and I also think that it gives "the law" a greater level of comfort in using force. Tazers are not safe, they are not always "non-lethal" and if you look around a bit on the web you can find plenty of cases of cops getting injurred..even permenently, just from the routine tests required to use them.

    Besides, if there are outlaws growin dope and cooking meth in the forest, the cops otta to the right thing and shoot em down. Don't bring em in after 100,000 volts so their commrades can bail them out with more drug money!


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    There are bad apples in a bunch... I've seen some shocking videos where the police definitely could have resolved the conflict in another manner.

    I've also seen some videos of people getting tased for next to nothing.







    I personally do not think the Forest Service need tasers, if you're stupid enough to resist in the wilderness, you should be ready to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbalger View Post
    Seth,

    You truly made me laugh. I'm imagining Mexicans and Jews getting tazed in the forest. ..at a 95:5 ratio nonetheless!

    I've been reading a few of your posts and you are on a roll in a number of threads! Keep up the great posts.... you've totally got your schtick.

    Personally I think the tazers are overkill, and I also think that it gives "the law" a greater level of comfort in using force. Tazers are not safe, they are not always "non-lethal" and if you look around a bit on the web you can find plenty of cases of cops getting injurred..even permenently, just from the routine tests required to use them.

    Besides, if there are outlaws growin dope and cooking meth in the forest, the cops otta to the right thing and shoot em down. Don't bring em in after 100,000 volts so their commrades can bail them out with more drug money!


    They don't get bailed out, they get put in California State Prisons. Then the other states laugh at us for having so many more prisoners than them.

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    Currently the largest threat to (in?) our national forests in California are squatting, dope growing illegals...

    I'm ready to crate the Mexicans up & send them back, all of them.


    Fences? Build them.

    Electrify them. If you want a better life for yourself you come through our borders legally.


    Sorry, rant. I just get upset. I was @ Chipotle the other day, I wish I had a tazer then for this lady behind the counter. The size of the Spaniard's burrito in front of me was COLLOSSAL, grande if you will. I was completely skimped on chicken AND green peppers... it was a blatant attack on my whiteness.


    I am dead serious too.






    Anyways, more firepower for authorities, less "less than lethal" options... let's sort out the gene pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbalger View Post
    Seth,

    Tazers are not safe, they are not always "non-lethal" and if you look around a bit on the web you can find plenty of cases of cops getting injurred..even permenently, just from the routine tests required to use them.
    Actually tasers are very safe. But as with ANY non lethal force, it can become lethal very quickly. Do you think beanbag shotguns (another form of LL) is safer? Or how about a 40mm foam ball projectile? Hint the foam projectile travels at 319 fps (217 mph) I've been tased and I'd take a 50,000 volt ride any day over a huge bruise on my leg....

    Remember after they shut the taser down....ITS OVER there are no lasting effects.
    Last edited by i_arch_360; January 16th, 2008 at 09:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aimhard View Post
    Oh the good ole days, when a criminal resisted arrest, someone got a good beating, or got killed. {Not always the bad guy} With the taser he doesn't even need a trip to the hospital. How can that be bad?
    Just a big "WHAT IF" scenario.........the guy in question is innocent. Does he or she get to beat the ahole cop with the same degree of force and walk away?????

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    Let me preface this video by saying this: In this day & age, you do what the police tell you to do, when told to do it & this won't happen. This guy had just a little too much aggression for a cop in a rural area. That being said, this cop needs fired & beaten.





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc





    'nuff said.

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    I take back my comment after reviewing that tape again. After being told to put his hands behind his back, it appears he continued to reach into his pocket for something...

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    I agree Seth

    Nowadays,

    If you are stupid enough to give a cop lip and passive resistance like that guy did, you should expect to be manhandled. Could the cop have done a better job? Definitely.

    Was this guy a total tool for acting like that, in the middle of nowhere, with his lady and kid in the car. Yes he was.

    Should the same thing happen to a tree hugging environmentalist if they are staging a civil protest?

    Good question.

    JUST ADDED: http://www.docuticker.com/?p=18223

    The above link totally puts a new perspective on the tasers for the forest service. READ EM AND WEEP BOYS AND GIRLS. (Don't forget to click every link under the article yee naysayers!)
    Last edited by sbalger; January 17th, 2008 at 04:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbalger View Post
    Should the same thing happen to a tree hugging environmentalist if they are staging a civil protest?

    Good.

    The above link totally puts a new perspective on the tasers for the forest service. READ EM AND WEEP BOYS AND GIRLS.


    Weep about what exactly? That the U.S Forest Service is under funded and short on personel. What law enforcement agency isn't? Training should have been included with the purchase. Somebody screwed up. Does that make the Taser a less useful tool for law enforcement? No. They are still an effective, non-lethal method to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk to law enforcement officers, innocent citizens, or themselves.

    Write your Congressmen and demand that they properly fund the USFS.



    ....The concerns Amnesty International has raised with the Justice Department inquiry are unaffected by a study led by emergency medicine specialists from Wake Forest University whose results were published earlier this week. The Wake Forest study reviewed nearly 1,000 cases of Taser deployments in the field and found that the injury rate was low and that most injuries appeared to be minor....


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