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Rick McKinney

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I read some of the comments on this board about the wind and how it was more luck than skill to work your way through the elimination process. I disagree with that assessment. After watching several rounds during these Games I have come to the conclusion that archery still picks it’s best. Although it is not a marathon archer like what I used to specialize in, it truly is a battle of expertise and nerves. Yes, the wind can play a factor and yes there is a bit of luck involved, but I believe that is the case in all events at these Games. I believe we do an injustice in stating that it is a game of luck when there is no doubt in my mind that the people who won and medaled deserved to be on that podium.

There are many really excellent archers at these Games and some showed some amazing brilliance at times while other times they faltered. This is not due to the wind but due to the mental aspect of the game. The wind was blowing equally on both archers during the match. There was no advantage on one side or the other. The gusting that occurred appeared to be felt by both. Over 90% of the shots that were made by truly the hot shooters during this time were in the 8 ring or better. The 7’s were very infrequent. The 6’s were rare and anything less than that was a matter of poor shot execution during the windy periods.

I watched Miranda, Jenny, Khatuna, Jacob, Jake and Brady shoot their rounds and at times there is no question they could be the best. However, their mental approach is weak. This is not to criticize but to show where they could excel and be far better than anyone if they so choose. When Miranda shot her first round, there was nobody who could have beaten her. Unfortunately, what happens next is an education in dealing with the mind. The doubt, the tension created, the lack of fluid motion, the timing change thus the wind magnified those issues and what normally could have been either a 10 or 9 during a calm event was turned into 8’s, 7’s and less. Jacob proved a similar action as to Miranda. Starting out exceptionally well and then started to tighten up. Please do not misunderstand what I am saying. I believe in these archers and think they can be a dominant force in 4 years if they choose to learn from what they experienced at these Games. Their form and equipment is fine, but the mental aspect is still weak. I watched Jake shoot some excellent shots and he had the round without question, then all of a sudden things changed on a dime - mental. Brady shot unbelievable but could not shoot the 10’s he usually shoots. As a matter of fact, I found Brady to be the most capable of all, but when he tightened up just a little his shots became 9’s instead of 10’s, his 8’s instead of 9’s. Although it could have been a lot worse, he really shot well. He just needs to work a bit more on that mental game. Jenny struggled on the first round and I thought just maybe that would be in her favor for the next round, but she could not get going on the second round either. I read some of her comments before the Games started and thought maybe she would be able to break out of her lack of confidence but it is still there. Khatuna proved to be the strongest mentally. Her years of slowly working herself up the ladder is amazing and if she continues to work on the mental game and her drive and health is still there, she will be a challenge in 2016.

We all agree that the mental game is extremely important. But before it can be perfected the physical form and equipment must be in top shape as well. The mental game is not a cookie cutter system but a system that requires to be a match for the archer. There are archers who need stern and somber approaches while others need a happy relaxed state of mind. The perfect example was to watch the Gold medal match between the Ki Bo Bae and Roman and their coaches. Ki Bo Bae and her coach were all serious and virtually no time did you see much “happiness” going on, it was all determination but more of an attitude and it worked very well for her. Notice the other side where the Korean coach and the Mexican archer Roman. It also was noticeable during the bronze medal match between Khatuna and Avitia. These two Mexican archers turned around to see a smiling coach and one who got them to smile and laugh. This is a form of mental exercise and it worked exceptionally well for them. After all, who would have thought that Mexico would take the Silver and Bronze? Finding the right mental approach requires a sport psychologist and then a program that will require the diligence like physical training. The mind is no different than the body. It requires training. It is not developed over night. It takes time and patience. Some are born with it, but most are not. You have to develop the mind just like the body and then you will really see some results. You are only as strong as your weakest link. There are three links in archery; form, equipment and mental. You need all three to be at their best to be a Gold Medal winner.

The Mexican Archery Federation can be proud of what they accomplished and will probably become a stronger force in the future. The US can do the same but the mental game has to become more important for these archers to step up to the level of champions. The form is there and the equipment is there.

Again, I want to emphasize that I am not criticizing the US archers. I see so much talent and potential greatness in them, but it still must come from them, not from us. They have the tools to be the best. They just need to find a good strong mental program that works for them as individuals. America is not a culture that is simple, thus a mental program for each individual archer must be found to fit that particular archer’s personality.
 
Rick, thanks for having the guts to post this.

I could not possibly agree with you more. I've long said that greatest difference between Brady and everyone else is that he has the best mental game in the U.S. right now. That's almost always what it comes down to. In 2004, I was certainly not the best of the "rest" of the archers trying out for the team, but mentally I had many advantages which is why I was able to do what I did.

And as someone who has "stood in their shoes" and experienced the same things, you are spot on. Fortunately, this men's team had the training, talent and skill to overcome the mental demons one match further than we did in 2004. We very nearly did, but our collective archery skill was not on their level, which is why we came up just short.

Since you 'put yourself out there' by offering a candid and personal assessment of these archers Rick, I'd like to ask you this question. How do you feel you would have done in head-to-head single elimination matchplay? Perhaps you did have that opportunity, but I don't recall. I believe most of your Olympic experience was fita, grand fita, or the like, right? Do you believe you would have had the mental game to make it through all the matches? (not trying to "call you out, mind you. Just askin'...)

I'll take this opportunity to note this - that when you look at what Vic Wunderle, and to some extent Jenny Nichols have accomplished in matchplay, it's nothing short of amazing. Vic has ALWAYS far exceeded his ranking in matchplay, toppling archers who should have easily beaten him, and finishing in the top 10 of every Olympic individual event he entered. To me, that is what made him so special.

This should be a "WAKE UP" call to our high performance program, that it's not enough to have a great archery coach. We must also make sure we have the best mental coaches and mental training programs too. Archery is a three legged stool. Technique (coaching),
Physical preparation, and Mental strength. They all three must be equally strong.

Last night, at my JOAD practice, we all talked about the Olympic coverage. Every single one of my archers had followed the matches. I stressed to them that the single thing that seperated the winners from the losers was mental strength. I told them they would be hearing this from me over, and over, and over again. And we regularly shoot head to head matchplay in my club as well as other "games" to raise the stress level. I also have a "traveling award" I hand out to the winner of the matchplay or games to make it mean something. Last night, the final 3 arrows that each archer shot were shot with the entire club and parents on either side of them cheering and yelling as loud as they could. The archer had to stand there alone and shoot three good shots, while I stood behind them and counted down from 10. The archers loved it. Coaches that are only teaching technique are IMO failing their students.

John
 
Rick,

Your message above is spot on. When you see a shooter who normally executes in under 5 seconds from "go" take up to 18 seconds, 12 or more of which is spent at full draw, that's not the wind. It's the mind.

I hope your observations help dispel this nonsense about this having been some sort of "wind lottery". Cream rises to the top.
 
Watching the Mexican team, it made me wonder what kind of mental training they received. Or if it's just yet another example of how soft Americans have become compared to the developing nations...

Also makes me wonder if the Korean women have always been mentally tougher than the men because they come from a male-dominated society.

The pattern being, the easier you have it growing up, the weaker your mental game.

On a side note - you gotta love AT. Rick can post that here and it is respected and read objectively for what it is.

I can't even imagine how roasted a newbie would be if they wrote the exact same words... ha, ha.

John
 
On a side note - you gotta love AT. Rick can post that here and it is respected and read objectively for what it is.

I can't even imagine how roasted a newbie would be if they wrote the exact same words... ha, ha.

John
The respect for "been there, done that"....heck, I still think the wind had something to do with it, but he and George were there....kinda knocks any of my doubts out of the park!
 
Gents,

Given all the comments on the wind, would the events have been better or worse if held indoors?

And, did you think that the US Team practicing indoors while the other teams practiced outside had an effect on the outcome?
 
As I understand it, the US team only practiced indoors a few times during the run-up to the Games, most of the time they were outside. My gut tells me the US archers have shot outside just as much as any other country but, it plainly came down to the mental game. From my competitive experience in other sports, it is "easy" to blame the wind and not yourself. The problem here, when other people are shooting gold and you are not and you are shooting the same condition, you just aren't reading the conditions as well as your competitors. I watched both Jacob and Jake with big yips in on of the team matches and when that kind of stuff is happening it gets into your head. Brady is an exceptional archer, no doubt about that for me but, I feel like he peaked last fall during the World Cups. Peaked in a cyclic sense, not in terms of his career. He has had the pressure of being world #1 for a long time and that has to wear on you. You have all the pressure of the sport on your back every single time you are behind the string. It is easy for me to couch speculate, this is just something i picked up on watching the World Cup, I may be completely off but, I think the mental pressure of it all got to Brady and the rest of the team. I was too chicken to post this prior to the Games, I am glad that Mr. McKinney had the guts to post this so I could look like I knew this all along ;)
Great post!
 
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Since you 'put yourself out there' by offering a candid and personal assessment of these archers Rick, I'd like to ask you this question. How do you feel you would have done in head-to-head single elimination matchplay? Perhaps you did have that opportunity, but I don't recall. I believe most of your Olympic experience was fita, grand fita, or the like, right? Do you believe you would have had the mental game to make it through all the matches? (not trying to "call you out, mind you. Just askin'...)
John
John.

That’s a good question. I can only speculate but it really depends. For 15 years, all I ever focused on were double FITA’s. They changed the game on us in 1986 right after I had won my 3rd World Individual Title. Learning the Grand FITA took time and I felt I was progressing well and finished 6th at the 1988 Olympics in the Grand Fita. I figured that in 1992 I should or at least be capable of medaling. Unfortunately, FITA changed the round again. Recognize I was used to winning and used to pacing myself over 288 arrows. During the Grand Fita era, we shot 36 arrows total with 9 arrows at each distance. All of a sudden I had to be a different person again shooting either 18 arrows or 12 arrows at one distance to determine who moved on. The new archery generation focuses on what it takes to win and that is the set-match play, now. IF, I only knew the set-match play I feel I could have been competitive. I felt that my mental game was above most archers and had the mental strength to take on anything during my glory years. After all, at the 1979 World Championships, Darrell and I were only separated by 3 points for 1st and 2nd (we were tied with 3 arrows to go). In 1981, 2 points for 1st through 4th separated Kyosti Lassonnen, Darrel, Vladimir Escheev and myself. In 1983, Darrell and I tied and I won by x count. Thus, I believe I would have had the mental toughness that it required if the round were different. Darrell would have been just as difficult to beat as well. He had a mental gift that was truly amazing to watch. It wasn’t fun going against him but he sure set the bar to a much higher level, which helped me grow to a higher level as well. I am not saying we could be competitive today, we can’t but if the rounds were different yesterday I am very confident that the results would have been similar.

John, you can ask Vic how I shot the elimination rounds. ☺

A note on the Mexican team. Their form was the best on the field from what I like in technique. Not saying it fits everyone, but their technique fits the most classic and bone structured form you can ever ask for, men and women.
 
If it was held indoors, I think it would take a lot away from the event. As a fan, I would lose interest. I think most fans would. Archery is an outdoor event in most people's minds.

As for the other, I think Rick summed it up.

John
 
Thanks Rick.

A note on the Mexican team. Their form was the best on the field from what I like in technique. Not saying it fits everyone, but their technique fits the most classic and bone structured form you can ever ask for, men and women.
And agreed. I also don't recall seeing the Mexican team memebers ever seem to struggle with their draw weight. Mighta been form, mighta been nerves, or mighta been they were just shooting the weight they could easily control under pressure.

John
 
And agreed. I also don't recall seeing the Mexican team memebers ever seem to struggle with their draw weight. Mighta been form, mighta been nerves, or mighta been they were just shooting the weight they could easily control under pressure.

John
So do you think that the USA archers might have been overbowed, as a couple of people speculated in another thread? Could they have increased their normal DW to try to compensate for the wind?
 
John and Rick, Thank you for posting this discussion!! I am an absolute rookie to the higher levels of coaching and have no experience at these (rarefied) levels. But even for my very low experience level, I could see the slow loss of concentration and confidence in our shooters. I think I could see it not only in their faces but in a slow (and slight) break down in form. Longer and longer hold times, inconsistent rhythm, loss of release smoothness,etc.

I have all the respect in the world for our 6 archers and am NOT criticizing, rather, I am using what I saw as a graphic learning experience for me and as a motivator to learn more about the "mental game." I for one have "talked" the game but this was the first time I really saw the effects of it. Perhaps my recent study of archery coaching made it more visible to me and I actually comprehended what I had been seeing all along and just didn't recognize.

thanks again!

Arne
 
Hey, don't thank me. Rick's the one with the cajones to post his "unedited" assessment. ;)

Perhaps my recent study of archery coaching made it more visible to me and I actually comprehended what I had been seeing all along and just didn't recognize.
Probably so.

So do you think that the USA archers might have been overbowed
Some of them. Not all of them. And I say this not because of what I saw on the Olympic coverage, but because of what I saw in person, shooting against me in matches at the trials, in a much, much less stressful situation.

John
 
Watching the Mexican team, it made me wonder what kind of mental training they received. Or if it's just yet another example of how soft Americans have become compared to the developing nations...

Also makes me wonder if the Korean women have always been mentally tougher than the men because they come from a male-dominated society.

The pattern being, the easier you have it growing up, the weaker your mental game.

On a side note - you gotta love AT. Rick can post that here and it is respected and read objectively for what it is.

I can't even imagine how roasted a newbie would be if they wrote the exact same words... ha, ha.

John
I think that in general Mexicans are mentally tough.

I learned this while playing soccer for many years with several of these guys. And I remember going on a wilderness rafting trip down the Selway river with my Brother and his Mexican wife. About halfway through the trip, she almost fell out of their raft in Wolf Creek Rapids. My brother let go of his oar and hauled her in and then kept right on paddling. Talking about that afterwards, I learned that horror of horrors, she couldn't swim. Her comment was that "If God wants me, I die."

I think that mental toughness comes from their fatalistic culture. They don't take it so personally when they win or lose.
 
You mean, it's not "all about them" then?
 
No matter what, Rick McKinney and John Magera just posted some stuff that would have cost me lots in dollars and time. Thank you both 'cause I gotta tell ya, shooting today was really hard and this dialogue was right on time.

All the best!
 
I'm a newbie and REALLY darn near 50. You can roast me if you want but... Hiker Dave, while I appreciate where you were going with that post, that was a weird comment. Kinda Archie Bunkerish, actually. I don't mean to be rude but it's a disservice to the athletes and the coach that worked on the Mexican team's mental game to get them to as far as they've gone, not their sometimes turbulent history.

Larry Bird can beat me in basketball and I can kick his butt shooting at 90 meters and playing speed metal. I'm just sayin'.
 
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