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This particular method? No I haven't. There have been similar schemes over the years back to at least the early 90's. IMO they must basically work, but none has proven to be so effective that most everybody has gotten to use it regularly for a period of years. I have, for several years, set my shortest range pin at 30 yards, because I anchor low which seems to put my trajectory out in a useful area, and most importantly clears a big part of my sight window for seeing the deer.
 
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Anyone else?

From what I've been reading it seems like a lot of people are using single pin sliders and leaving it at 25-30 yards and just holding over/under for hunting distances.

Do you believe judging 12 inches is easier than judging distance? I guess it depends on what you practice and are comfortable with..
 
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I do something similar as I set my pin at 33 yards and I know I am 6 inches high at 20 and 6 inches low at forty. I figure that covers the quick shots good enough.
 
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First thanks for sharing. I like/love seeing things i've never seen or thought of before and this one definately fits.
Second, i'm not bashing, just my thoughts only.

This seems complex at first, and IMO at least unethical. I'm not getting on a soap box on the unethical part, but it seems that for me this is trying to help the shooter who cannot judge yardage. Fix the problem, learn to judge yardage. until then, don't take high-risk shots.

1) if you cannot judge yardage, put up survey tape down your shooting lanes at known distances to reduce guessing or just dont take the unsafe shot
2) use either an adjustable pin system or a multi-pin system, either of which seems like you're now taking a shot at a distance with one or more reference pins

I could see spot and stalk hunters having the greatest benefit from this kind of setup, but even the photos of the resulting shots are "ideal"... if you add wind, pressure of getting that dream deer/elk/bear/etc, un-even ground, shooting from a tree, small platform, adrenaline etc... the groups going to open up a lot, well for me anyhow.

I think that I would just stick with 20/30/40 yrd pins and gap one pin on top of vitals and one at the bottom. I think most people could tell if the animal was at 20-30yrds or 30-40 yards... and if your not sure shoot the 30... (hell if you're not sure dont shoot... IMO anyhow)
 
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Or know what the maximum range of your pendulum sight is and don't exceed it. Put the pin where you want the arrow to go and release, simple as that. No range guessing, no deciding what pin to use.
 
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Hookup said:
...IMO at least unethical...
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IMO look up the meaning of a word before you use it. I say that because I like to think you really didn't intend to question the thread starter's morality. Throwing that word out in this discussion is silly to me and an offense to the thread starter.
 
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Maximum point blank range. ...

Used it for many years with a rifle. ..never thought about it with a bow..

Mac
 
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Don Schultz said:
IMO look up the meaning of a word before you use it. I say that because I like to think you really didn't intend to question the thread starter's morality. Throwing that word out in this discussion is silly to me and an offense to the thread starter.
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You are 100% correct, I did in no way mean to question any ones morality. Only wanted to say that I think for me it would be unethical and I wouldn't use it. I wasn't then or now judging anyone. It seems like a poor crutch for a simple problem. I can see how it works well with rifles. In fact it is similar to how my .270 is setup for easy shooting to 200yrds.

BTW:
unethical - Not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior
morality - Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior

I didn't say it was immoral (right vs wrong) as you implied. I said it didn't conform to approved social standards. I specifically did not want to judge right vs wrong (morality) and thus used ethics as the base of my point. ;)
 
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The guy who wrote that article, Darin Cooper shot Pro for years, has killed tons of record book animals, was an engineer for Hoyt for years and could shoot circles around 99.9% of the people on here...So to call it unethical is just being uneducated. Darin has forgot more about bows and shooting than most of us will ever know.
 
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Very interesting indeed. I tried it out the other day and had two arrows nearly touching.. never ranged it but one shot was about 20 and another was about 35.
Good enough for me.

My question is this... my first pin is set at 40ish and i can use this for a trick pin...whats gonna happen at 25 feet up a tree at 20 yards?
 
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nasty beauty said:
Anyone else?

From what I've been reading it seems like a lot of people are using single pin sliders and leaving it at 25-30 yards and just holding over/under for hunting distances.

Do you believe judging 12 inches is easier than judging distance? I guess it depends on what you practice and are comfortable with..
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I suspect single pin setups are highly subjective to where and how you hunt. In the thick NH woods, it's uncommon to even get a shot out at or beyond 40 yards.)
( I use one pin, and it works great! I've only take one deer at over 35 yards. Last fall it was taken @ 42 yards, and I only aimed about 4 inches high. ~ Keep reading for the "hows & why's" below.)

My single pin is setup for ~28 yards dead on. Up to 28 yards, I'm only about 2 inches off anywhere in the arrows path. (Below 10 yards, the arrow is actually rising to the sight plane, so it starts at about 2 inches low.) ~ After I get out to beyond 32 yards, the arrow really starts to drop. (From 0 yards out to ~32 yards, I'm only high/low a total of about 2 inches in either direction, 4 inches total. (Which is well within the clean kill shot area on a deer, providing I make a good shot.)

The thing is: As you get to beyond ~20 yards, deer has more time to react, and they typically do. (Unless it's windy, and that has to be taken into account too.) Regardless, in most instances I've seen the deer drop down as it loads legs to run for shots out @ 30 yards and beyond. So as the arrow drops, so does the deer typically. (Deer drops and so does arrow, in a synchronized manner.) When I shot the deer @ 42 yards last Novemember, I remember aiming about 4 inches high. (half way between the center of the deer and the top of its' back) When I practice at that same 40 yard distance, I have to place the single pin at the very top of the target to hit center. ~ Watching the arrow approach the deer (it actually seemed to happen in slow motion - very cool), I thought I was going to miss the deer completely, as the arrow was coming in too low. But as the arrow approached the deer, the deer dropped (down into the arrow's path) as it reacted, and the arrow hit almost perfectly in the heart & lungs.

Long story short: A relatively fast bow that hits dead nuts (@ 28 yards) can take a deer out @ 42 yards by aiming about 4 inches high. (Deer probably dropped about 6 inches and that combined with the 4 "over-aim" gave the the foot of drop that "sealed the deal." ~ The weirdest thing about taking that deer is: I don't know why I actually only aimed 4 inches high. I always aim about one foot high @ 40 yards while practicing. Luck? Instinct? Mistake? I don't know. All I remember is thinking (as the arrow flew): "Why didn't I aim higher up at that distance?" I'm sure glad I didn't, whatever the reason.....

You always hear about how "the arrow went high" etc.... I'm convinced there's a reason for this, and also as to why my method works for me. I've taken the last 25 deer (or so) using this method, after missing a deer my first season of serious bow hunting, by picking the wrong pin by accident and sent arrow just over it's back (deer came in 10 yards closer before shooting, after initially noting it's distance.) ~ "Knock on wood" & "fingers crossed" that I'll be repeating this "single pin shooting success" several times this season.

"One pin is one pin." When deer is in your "comfort killing range", you don't have to think. You just aim & make a good shot! "Simple!" :smile:
 
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Set mine at 40, know how high to aim at 60 and low at 20. But this year I adjusted my sight on every buck I had in range at least 2 times. On the buck I shot I adjusted my sight from 60 to 40. And he came to 32, just put the pin on his belly, hit where I wanted up and down.


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