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#21 ·
BrokenLimbs said:
I am about to begin transitioning (adapting actually) to the web from saddle. (I've been a devoted saddle hunter for the past 7 years.) I just hope I can shoot out of the web as well as I can from the saddle.
From my perspective, I'm also trading a backpack (sling pack) for this bulkier setup. The benefits (at least what I'm hoping for) are comfort (not always standing on the legs) and thus less movement while in a tree.

I'm just worried I won't be able to pivot (using the bridge mod, carabiner & rope setup) quite the same as I can with the saddle. With the saddle, you can swing out and really aggressively lean into the shots, thus keeping the bow at a right angle without having to do much bending at the waist. I finally have the time to begin using the web this afternoon.....

And of course, I had my gear "down to a science" with the saddle.....
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I think you will like it just fine if you are using the bridge set up. I have never even used the stock strap on mine. I ordered the stuff for the bridge when I bought the web. I have zero problems shooting from mine even with shots that are directly below or completely behind me. I have seen pictures of guys shooting to the right of the tree using a bridge but when I tried it I didn't feel solid enough. It's easier to pivot around the tree to the left for me. It's something I'll have to practice this year for sure
 
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jjwaldman21 said:
This will be interesting. I went with the treesaddle and now the aero hunter from new tribes, mainly because the GW seemed to bulky to move around the tree and make shots, and more bulky for the run and gun style of hunting I do. It seems to be the ultimate in comfort though...
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Comfort: That's why I added it to my "arsenal of soft stands." (my saddles) Bulky: Nope, not while in it. Only on the transport side of things. I have to work some things out in this department.

flinginairos said:
I think you will like it just fine if you are using the bridge set up. I have never even used the stock strap on mine. I ordered the stuff for the bridge when I bought the web. I have zero problems shooting from mine even with shots that are directly below or completely behind me. I have seen pictures of guys shooting to the right of the tree using a bridge but when I tried it I didn't feel solid enough. It's easier to pivot around the tree to the left for me. It's something I'll have to practice this year for sure
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Finally began experimenting with the web today..... (with a bridge): Very similar shot capabilities to the harness, but way more comfortable for extended hunts. That means less motion (staying comfortable) which also means (hopefully) seeing more deer!

It is good (similar to saddle) with a bridge! Only complaints are all the straps. Too many BLACK straps. And also, the fork.... That freaking fork! A stubby one would be better, especially while climbing. I'm going to drill more mounting holes to move it back inward about 1/2 way. (and round the prong edges a lot while I'm at it) I don't need to be that far out on an 8 to 10 inch tree. It only gets in the way while going up, although most of this can be avoided by wearing the shoulder straps tight. On the way down, I just unhook the leg straps, and it hangs backwards / stays out of the way.

Of course I'm still going to have to work on stowing gear. Maybe I will need to invest in a Maxpedition "shoulder bag." No matter what I do, I'll need a different pack for this than I do for the saddle. I do believe I'll still be able to climb easily using my 2 sticks and aider setup..... Because I intend to hunt using both the saddle and web, I will have the pleasure of transferring gear from my sling pack to a shoulder bag. That's going to be a PITA.....

PS: Just like the saddle, your best shot position is standing, so the fork is only a spacer which keeps your legs off the tree.
 
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#23 ·
I use a Cabela's bowhunter vest.I don't carry a lot of junk with me but with the vest,everything I need is in the front.The bridge is the way to go.Also,I put three climb paws on the same strap and use that as a platform.
 
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BrokenLimbs said:
Comfort: That's why I added it to my "arsenal of soft stands." (my saddles) Bulky: Nope, not while in it. Only on the transport side of things. I have to work some things out in this department.



Finally began experimenting with the web today..... (with a bridge): Very similar shot capabilities to the harness, but way more comfortable for extended hunts. That means less motion (staying comfortable) which also means (hopefully) seeing more deer!

It is good (similar to saddle) with a bridge! Only complaints are all the straps. Too many BLACK straps. And also, the fork.... That freaking fork! A stubby one would be better, especially while climbing. I'm going to drill more mounting holes to move it back inward about 1/2 way. (and round the prong edges a lot while I'm at it) I don't need to be that far out on an 8 to 10 inch tree. It only gets in the way while going up, although most of this can be avoided by wearing the shoulder straps tight. On the way down, I just unhook the leg straps, and it hangs backwards / stays out of the way.

Of course I'm still going to have to work on stowing gear. Maybe I will need to invest in a Maxpedition "shoulder bag." No matter what I do, I'll need a different pack for this than I do for the saddle. I do believe I'll still be able to climb easily using my 2 sticks and aider setup..... Because I intend to hunt using both the saddle and web, I will have the pleasure of transferring gear from my sling pack to a shoulder bag. That's going to be a PITA.....

PS: Just like the saddle, your best shot position is standing, so the fork is only a spacer which keeps your legs off the tree.
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LOL I have the same feelings about that fork! I may do the exact same thing. It doesn't need to be as wide or long. The best way I have found is to wear my rock climbing harness under the web and leave the seat folded up until I get to where I want to sit. That definitely frees you up while climbing. I have also started leaving the leg straps undone even while I hunting. I've found none of the straps need to be that tight while sitting in it. And the black straps do bother me as well. Not sure how to fix that. Maybe make a cover from some camo material?
 
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flinginairos said:
LOL I have the same feelings about that fork! I may do the exact same thing. It doesn't need to be as wide or long. The best way I have found is to wear my rock climbing harness under the web and leave the seat folded up until I get to where I want to sit. That definitely frees you up while climbing. I have also started leaving the leg straps undone even while I hunting. I've found none of the straps need to be that tight while sitting in it. And the black straps do bother me as well. Not sure how to fix that. Maybe make a cover from some camo material?
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Straps.... All black under a green headlamp. At the very least (although I may get used to it without): It would be smart for the hookup loop ends (both lineman and main tree loops) to be gray instead of black. That way, they can be quickly located under a headlamp. To me, that's a potential safety issue that should be corrected. If you have to struggle to find/get to what you need (and it takes you longer): Your exposure to "getting into trouble" is greater. ~ I'm going to figure out a workaround on this.

For those interested: The saddle is "so simple" by comparison! The ONLY downside of a saddle is the comfort thing. You're on your feet all the time.
(Leather is the most comfortable, and best overall. Mesh is super compact & lightweight. I'd never own a neoprene saddle due to heat/sweating and potential noise from the rubber material.)
 
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BrokenLimbs said:
Straps.... All black under a green headlamp. At the very least (although I may get used to it without): It would be smart for the hookup loop ends (both lineman and main tree loops) to be gray instead of black. That way, they can be quickly located under a headlamp. To me, that's a potential safety issue that should be corrected. If you have to struggle to find/get to what you need (and it takes you longer): Your exposure to "getting into trouble" is greater. ~ I'm going to figure out a workaround on this.

For those interested: The saddle is "so simple" by comparison! The ONLY downside of a saddle is the comfort thing. You're on your feet all the time.
(Leather is the most comfortable, and best overall. Mesh is super compact & lightweight. I'd never own a neoprene saddle due to heat/sweating and potential noise from the rubber material.)
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I leave my biners connected to the web and my bridge strap gets folded over and a small Velcro cable tie holds it in a tight bundle. When I get ready to climb I take off the tie, connect my bridge strap to the other side am then all I have to do is clip it into the biner. Makes it very easy and quick!
 
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Here are some mods I have done to mine.

Added a small camera case to the shoulder strap to hold my cell phone and other small items
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Next take some extra male end of the buckles and a length of strap so you can turn the leg straps into a waist belt while carrying the web. This makes it very nice to carry!!
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Here is how I pack my sticks in it. I use the two cinch straps in the web to hold the sticks and the seat gets folded up and I use another small buckle strap that came with the muddy sticks to go around the tree fork. This eliminates the need to use the buckles at the top of the shoulder straps and holds everything together nice and tight. The buckle strap is fed behind the webbing on the seat and stays there when the seat is folded down. you can also see the paracord handle I made for the top of the web in this pic.
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To carry my tree hooks/pull rope/lights I use a small pouch and connect it to the webbing on the side of the seat. When I am sitting in the tree it hangs off to my right side in easy reach. When I pack the web I hook the pull cord I the pouch to my stick in the back of the web and this keeps the pouch in one spot tucked up into the folded seat
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I also added extra holes in the bottom so I can adjust the length of the tree fork. I just did this today so I haven't tried it. I also cut the V part down some because I think it was really too big an makes it hard to climb!
 
#29 ·
I've hunted from my GW exclusively for the past 2 seasons and the 5 seasons prior to that with the saddle. I always wore knee pads with the saddle so I could keep my crotch off the tree when I was in a sitting position. The fork on the GW takes the place of the knee pads. I ascend with screw in steps almost every time. 90% of the time I don't even know what specific tree I'm going up until hunt time. I use a regular pack. With the GW I put it on over the GW and take it off at the base of the tree. (I have to get my bow rope and tree steps out anyhow), then I snap the leg straps and put the pack back on.
 
#31 ·
Been thinking about modding my fork as well. Did you just round off the edges of the fork to make it shorter, or did you actually remove it and move it back farther? If so how did you reattach it? Ant pictures of fork mod would be much appreciated.

Thanks
 
#33 ·
bowhunter000 said:
Been thinking about modding my fork as well. Did you just round off the edges of the fork to make it shorter, or did you actually remove it and move it back farther? If so how did you reattach it? Ant pictures of fork mod would be much appreciated.

Thanks
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I cut the V part down a little and rounded it off then I moved the whole bar back by drilling the rivets out of the seat and drilling new holes. I installed rivnuts in the seat and mounted the fork with 10-32 screws. I will take pics this morning. I think I ended up moving it back about 2"
 
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flinginairos said:
I cut the V part down a little and rounded it off then I moved the whole bar back by drilling the rivets out of the seat and drilling new holes. I installed rivnuts in the seat and mounted the fork with 10-32 screws. I will take pics this morning. I think I ended up moving it back about 2"
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Can't wait to see the photos! I was pretty confident the bar could be moved back and still be effective.
Also, how about a link w/size info on those "rivnuts!"
 
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Here is what the rivnuts look like. The thread is 10-32. We use them for work so I had the tools to install them. You could also just use a screw with a nut on the back side of the seat
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#36 ·
Has anyone tried to climb using one or two muddy sticks, besides BrokenLimbs? How feasible is it? I want to bring as little with me as possible.
 
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ManOfKnight said:
Has anyone tried to climb using one or two muddy sticks, besides BrokenLimbs? How feasible is it? I want to bring as little with me as possible.
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That is my method. Two muddy sticks. Bottom one has the five step etrier like BrokenLimbs uses and the next one has a single web step I made. After getting to the top of the second stick I set my attachment rope and swing off to the left of the tree, slide the stick up and climb to the top. Takes me three moves to be 22-25' and about six minutes average. Its very easy to do just takes some practice! If I was going to pack in a long ways I would take only one stick.
 
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Here is my modded fork. I actually used two existing holes, just slide the fork back and only use two bolts instead of the three rivets. The line drawn in the fork is the original position and you can see the edge of the seat where my finger is
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