Just seen this company I believe is out of China that is called topoint and their bows look like a Mathews. Same grips, reverse roller guard ect. Anyone else see this. And how is that possible.
Topoint archery (aka Mathews copy)
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Here is a video of a gentleman in Britain comparing one to a Chill R,
They are not exact copies, if you look closely there are subtle differences.
But the guy says rock mods will work on them, and the Harmonic dampers are a distinctive Mathews look.
It's a shame that a Chinese company can blatantly steal an American companies hard earned image.
and even sadder thing is Mathews probably isn't a big enough company to shut them down.
https://youtu.be/vU5KdpiKlSk
They are not exact copies, if you look closely there are subtle differences.
But the guy says rock mods will work on them, and the Harmonic dampers are a distinctive Mathews look.
It's a shame that a Chinese company can blatantly steal an American companies hard earned image.
and even sadder thing is Mathews probably isn't a big enough company to shut them down.
https://youtu.be/vU5KdpiKlSk
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I would be concerned about a few things. One of which would be the limb quality.
Another aspect may be getting new parts if needed.
And just as much, or more, stealing a design from an American company.
Another aspect may be getting new parts if needed.
And just as much, or more, stealing a design from an American company.
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Out of Country company. However, they may be, or should be, illegal to sell here in the USA?
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Kinda like the guys building presses at home with items that are covered under patents by Last Chance Archery?
Mathews would have to go after distributors, retailers, etc, etc, etc. There is not much they can do about the parent company as long as China continues to thumb their collective noses at Patent law.
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A comment on the bows.....the thing is junk. I have never seen a bow that had such a visibly crappy draw cycle in a video. Also...it was 25 fps slower. Maybe they need to spray a little WD40 in those bearings. 
My bet is anyone who would drop the coin on that contraption would be extremely displeased with their decision.
My bet is anyone who would drop the coin on that contraption would be extremely displeased with their decision.
Actually....It would be like guys building presses at home that are covered by LCA patents and SELLING them. There is no patent law that keeps one from building their own press or bow for that matter.
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Actually, patent law does cover folks building stuff at home that is covered by patents, even if only for personal use......but no MFG would try to go after someone building just for home, the only folks that would win would be the lawyers.....A comment on the bows.....the thing is junk. I have never seen a bow that had such a visibly crappy draw cycle in a video. Also...it was 25 fps slower. Maybe they need to spray a little WD40 in those bearings.
My bet is anyone who would drop the coin on that contraption would be extremely displeased with their decision.
Actually....It would be like guys building presses at home that are covered by LCA patents and SELLING them. There is no patent law that keeps one from building their own press or bow for that matter.
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Ha I just googled the company and I feel like I need to do true AT comment.
I would never buy from a company were the photo on their home page is of someone shooting with the worst form ever. He is gripping the bow and the draw length is way to long. Look at the lean back. The arrow is at least 1 inch to long. HAHAHA sorry.
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I would never buy from a company were the photo on their home page is of someone shooting with the worst form ever. He is gripping the bow and the draw length is way to long. Look at the lean back. The arrow is at least 1 inch to long. HAHAHA sorry.
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If you look at their website they have another bow that kinda looks like a cheap copy of a Nitrum too..... And it doesn't stop there, cheap copies of QAD HDX, TruGlo quivers, multiple broadhead copies and other stuff... Makes me sick
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Point taken....and based on LCA's past zeal I would suspect they would knock on doors and check for infants 2 years old or younger.
That's a joke before anyone gets bent. :becky:
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I've noticed that around half of the ads I see for hunting products sold through US companies,show something cheap or messed up.
So,this knock off company is doing just what our domestic companies do...poor advertising.
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I knew it would only be a matter of time before this happened. So many folks are gonna get screwed by this trying to save a few dollars.
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So Mathews is getting their aluminum profile extruded in China? I see on the company website they use exactly same aluminum profile and then just cut to pieces and machine. So what is this telling me Mathews is getting their stuff from China and this guy knows where exactly and buy same aluminum profile.
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I especially feel bad for the people that are gonna see this company online and think its a legit bow manufacturer and buy into it thinking they are getting something worth their money
It's possible, but I doubt it. What most Chinese companies do is get a real one and laser scan it and have their own 3D CAD to machine it from.
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True. But they need to pay to a aluminum making company to make a die to extrude this shape. And most of the time die is the most expensive tool you buy to start making your product. And I don't think they want to pay for that.
Also they look pretty good for a company. Imported limbs from US and BCY material. They do look serious about the quality. Also cams are made out of 7075 aluminum. Most Chinese companies make them plastic.
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What exactly on a Mathews or Hoyt are patented by the respective companies? I think some are jumping to conclusions that appearance similarities are necessarily patent infringements. The only thing I saw that probably is patented is the integral harmonic dampeners. I really doubt that the riser shape or cam shapes are patented. I see more injustice with "Gucci" and "Michael Kors" bags being sold on a street corner than this company making a bow that has the same general shape as another bow. Top American bow companies' trademarks are much more valuable than their patents. I don't believe the patented technology is what makes Mathews bows so valuable - it's the extensive machining in the risers that really can't be "knocked off" that makes Mathews special. I don't know that the machining makes a Mathews a better bow, but it sure makes them distinctive.
Frankly, I think anyone who is knowledgeable enough to notice similarities between the two bows is also knowledgeable enough to notice the differences and make an educated decision. If they don't know the difference, they probably won't care that there are similarities.
Frankly, I think anyone who is knowledgeable enough to notice similarities between the two bows is also knowledgeable enough to notice the differences and make an educated decision. If they don't know the difference, they probably won't care that there are similarities.
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