I would like to offer a few words on "vertical" bow stands. When we first began exploring if we would invest in buying the rights to Shovelheads original Quick Stand design, and bring it back to market, we obviously had to look at what was already available on the market. What we were NOT going to do is offer a solution to a problem that had already been solved. In our discovery process we learned that although there are several very good product designs available on the market, ours was different enough to offer value as well. There are really only about 5 viable "types" of bow stands in this category. The ground stakes that we all know are simple, one piece (thus more fail proof), light and portable - all very favorable.Before this venture I would have used one myself if our Georgia red clay was not like concrete when dry. Take our bow stand as the next example. We use the same U shape channel to secure the bow very nicely, but have a different base being that we use a tripod design. The potential advantage is more terrain forgiveness with a potential disadvantage of more mass, thus heavier and maybe less portable. Then there are the various kick stands which are by far the most used. It's an ingenious design. The number one complaint that we discovered with them was that the bow has to provide the third point of contact to the ground. Lot's of folks including myself do not like that. But, as others have stated in this very thread, there are ways to accommodate for that and there is even a product out to address that specific problem. Then there are the bow sticks that are effective and super convenient but some folks don't like having additional accessories attached to their bow. The new stabilizer/bow stand combo with the very interesting product name fits into this same design category. So my point is, and what I am very happy about, is that all of the product designs mentioned offer the same general solution to a problem, but do so in different enough ways that it gives the end users meaningful options in the market. That's the goal! Thanks for all the support and sorry for such a lengthy post.