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I was wanting to hear which you guys like best? Is the Burt Coyote or G5 better? What I am really looking at is the Firenock APS since it can act as a squaring device and spinner...
I want one that I can use with fletching on so I think that may eliminate the G5. The APS is expensive but can you justify it since it acts as 2 tools in one? Or just get the FAST and a spinner seperate?
Lets hear your thoughts, thanks!
 
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you can buy a spinner, (pine ridge) and squaring tool (burt Coyote) for a fraction of the cost of that firenock contraption............and get the exact same results. I have the burt coyote F.A.S.T. and hardly ever use it. but the spinner from pine ridge works great....................
 
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Fast and easy way to make a squaring device if you have a drill press is to just drill a vertical hole the diameter of your arrows in a 6" piece of 4x4 or similar. Use a pane of glass or flat stone (or just a kitchen countertop) as your squaring surface. Put a piece of sandpaper on there and just drag the 4x4 across the sandpaper with the arrow just sticking out the bottom.

You can control the pressure on the arrow with your hand while dragging the 4x4 across the sandpaper. I use a silver Sharpie to mark the arrow end first. That way I can see when all of the surface has been sanded square. You can rotate the arrow within the 4x4 as you sand to make sure it is sanded evenly.

I have an arrow squaring tool, but this is faster than anything I have seen and works just as well, if not better (definitely faster). This is because you can drag the arrow across a lot more surface area much faster than rotating it on an arrow squaring device.
 
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Okay, I bought out a archery shop...I have 2 arrow squares, G5 and a 3D Printer and I don't use either of them. Working at the shop I bought out I worked with the Apple Pro arrow saw. I set up this saw and set it to just cut through the wall of the arrow and then spin the arrow close to the guide for the full cut. This makes perfect cut nearly every time or so close a arrow end square isn't needed.
Note.Spinning a arrow while holding the arrow in middle you can flex the shaft. So be careful, gentle.

Also bought was the Apple Large arrow spinner.
 
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FreeMike said:
Fast and easy way to make a squaring device if you have a drill press is to just drill a vertical hole the diameter of your arrows in a 6" piece of 4x4 or similar. Use a pane of glass or flat stone (or just a kitchen countertop) as your squaring surface. Put a piece of sandpaper on there and just drag the 4x4 across the sandpaper with the arrow just sticking out the bottom.

You can control the pressure on the arrow with your hand while dragging the 4x4 across the sandpaper. I use a silver Sharpie to mark the arrow end first. That way I can see when all of the surface has been sanded square. You can rotate the arrow within the 4x4 as you sand to make sure it is sanded evenly.

I have an arrow squaring tool, but this is faster than anything I have seen and works just as well, if not better (definitely faster). This is because you can drag the arrow across a lot more surface area much faster than rotating it on an arrow squaring device.
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Wait.

Wouldn't you be concerned whether or not the hole was drilled squarely? How did you put it in? Did you use a regular drill press or a bridge port? How well did the hole fit your arrows? Was the end of your block faced and square?

How on EARTH can you say that thing works as good as or better than as ASD or other squaring device?
 
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Squaring/ milling the ends is important!

A chop saw and carpenters square and you can make a really good one.

I totally disagree with the poster above that uses carbons right off the saw. I've seen a huge difference in arrow durability, accuracy and arrows spinning true after meticulous assembly when truing my arrows before installing BH's. Night and day difference.

I've looked at the ends of these carbons in a microscope and a 40x loop right off the saw....the ends are frayed and not square.
Heres a cell pic of a squared arrow after being on my jig and one right off the saw.....even at no magnification....you can see its half azzed.



We were just talking about this on the western forum Axis arrow thread. Heres my jig...[yeah those axis are old....I made it many years ago] I run those arrows on 220 paper, sometimes on the chamfer stone depending on my BH, then a few spins on 320 paper to finish them. Makes for a solid mating surface
 
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That looks like a nice jig there! In my understanding even if something is off square by a degree or 2 it will still sand square since its round and spinning, is that correct?
Like if its 2 degrees put it may sand the right side more than that left but the entire circumference of the arrow is being spun on that high spot, hence making it square in the end???
 
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gridman said:
you can buy a spinner, (pine ridge) and squaring tool (burt Coyote) for a fraction of the cost of that firenock contraption............and get the exact same results. I have the burt coyote F.A.S.T. and hardly ever use it. but the spinner from pine ridge works great....................
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The firenock is $90, a spinner is what $30 and the FAST tool is 30-40... $20 savings from what I'm seeing... If you are finding the other items for way cheaper let me know, please consider shipping etc...
 
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I also bought the G5 tool and consider it a good investment. It's much better than any tool I can DIY currently, since I don't have any really precision machining tools at the moment. Meaning, not even a way to drill a perfectly square hole in anything...

Else, yes, with a good drill press and set of bits you could DIY a pretty decent squaring jig for the shafts you currently shoot for probably next to nothing.

As for cutting square ends on shafts to begin with with your saw, it's kind of the same concept as a squaring tool. If you go slow and carefully rotate the shaft during the cut including finishing passes against the side of the blade, you end up doing approximately the same thing that you do with a squaring tool - running the whole diameter of the end against a fixed point. The result even with a super duper cheapo saw like my El Cheapo whatever it is that I got from Lancaster a few years ago, will be surprisingly good.

I use my G5 mainly to help clean the surface up, but I seldom have to take much material off to get an end square. It is nice to have the ends all nice and polished and squared away, though and an utterly true spinning point. One less thing that can intrude into my mind at full draw....

lee.
 
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BUSHfire said:
The firenock is $90, a spinner is what $30 and the FAST tool is 30-40... $20 savings from what I'm seeing... If you are finding the other items for way cheaper let me know, please consider shipping etc...
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I spent 21 dollars and free shipping on the spinner, the FAST gadget, I have had for years......didn’t realize it was a 40 dollar tool now....... I spent less than 30 on that also..... but if you want to spend 90 on a spinner, by all means do so..... the squaring tool is definitely not needed


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gridman said:
I spent 21 dollars and free shipping on the spinner, the FAST gadget, I have had for years......didn’t realize it was a 40 dollar tool now....... I spent less than 30 on that also..... but if you want to spend 90 on a spinner, by all means do so..... the squaring tool is definitely not needed


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The firenock APS is a squaring tool as well, not just a spinner.. Was looking on more reviews and feedback on it as i never seen one and can not find much online about it.. Thanks
 
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Firenock APS is 6 in 1 tool. And for those who need to square 600 or lighter spine there is no tool that can do that as it is the only tool with optional 4 support option, and if also have super spinner options too. Yes, with those options you are looking at $89 + 55.95 + 50.00, close to $200.00 with shipping . But ask around for those who had actualy use it on a daily bases as pro shop. Casual user, unless are "toolnut" like myself. It seems to be an overkill. BUT... if you have to ask why own the best design one, you do not need it.

Link below to see all functions and options.
https://www.firenock.com/aps

Link to purchase.
https://shop.firenock.com/product.sc?productId=164
 
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Firenock said:
Firenock APS is 6 in 1 tool. And for those who need to square 600 or lighter spine there is no tool that can do that as it is the only tool with optional 4 support option, and if also have super spinner options too. Yes, with those options you are looking at $89 + 55.95 + 50.00, close to $200.00 with shipping . But ask around for those who had actualy use it on a daily bases as pro shop. Casual user, unless are "toolnut" like myself. It seems to be an overkill. BUT... if you have to ask why own the best design one, you do not need it.

Link below to see all functions and options.
https://www.firenock.com/aps

Link to purchase.
https://shop.firenock.com/product.sc?productId=164
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How do I use the larger super spinners with the stock sanding block? My arrows sit higher with the SS and misses the sanding block?



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ss315 said:
How do I use the larger super spinners with the stock sanding block? My arrows sit higher with the SS and misses the sanding block?



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Thats interesting, you think the block would be more than high enough for the larger spinners? I'm sure you'll just have to remove the put the originals back on to square. Other than that how do you like it?
 
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I finally bought a Firenock PAPS unit. I love the thing and wish I bought it sooner than I did. Yes, there are other options but I love Dorge's products and I try to get them whenever I can and you can not beat his service. I just got it to spine my arrows and spin test tips and broadheads but now that I have it I will add the squaring block accessory to the mix. I already had a cheap spinner but now i can give that to a buddy.
 
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