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So I am going to try sleeves and inserts again. My question for the weight I am going for there’s option for stainless insert aluminum sleeve or reverse which would you say would be stronger and why? I was thinking aluminum insert stainless sleeve. But not sure just yet. Thoughts?

Anyone used there system? What were your experiences?
 
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Personally I would use the Aluminum insert and Stainless sleeve option if those are the only 2 you want. My fear/concern for the opposite is that the aluminum sleeve can crush into the arrow, and or the stainless can deform the aluminum from the inside on a severely angled shot. Just having the harder material being the part to take the most abuse seems to make more sense to me.

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It comes out to 100 with both options give or take 10 grains... The aluminum insert and stainless is dead 100. With aluminum sleeve and stainless insert you can cut it down to 110. Its close enough and makes the options I need. I think I will go with the aluminum insert and stainless out. I definitely was thinking the same I want the stiffer component outside and I do fear the aluminum will crush! Thanks for the feedback gents!
 
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like the said above. depends on the weight you want. No matter what you choose i would try to get the steel sleeve. you could call and talk to Hoss there at Ethics. great guy to deal with. I am running the full length aluminum insterts and steel sleev on my x impacts and they can take a beating.
 
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Just my opinion but I have the AL sleeve on my AXIS arrows but using the brass inserts....Shot one through a wood fence and no damage what so ever. You have to sand down what ever shaft you use to get them to slip fit and they are so tight fitting that I would say they are nearly indestructible. They are rough on targets but easier to pull except for a bag target. I have bag as a as a backup my other targets because of the heavy arrow penetration and they are tough to get out. I did not go stainless because I was trying to stay just above 250 fps with a 510 gr arrow at 65lb 28" dl. You cannot go wrong either way.
 
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I am using the aluminum sleeve and the aluminum footer. The reason I went this way was to have the full length insert inside the shaft as oppose to cutting it shorter I feel the longer insert makes everything stronger and maybe more stable
 
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ggg said:
Why not go with stainless for both if the weight is right? Isn't aluminum more prone to bending?
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depending on the weight. I could get away with a 100-125 insert/outsert system on set up. I could of went with the steel for both but the insert was small after having to cut it. the longer aluminum insert would cover more of the internal shaft to help support it. I would of loved to go with the full steel but where i wanted to be on weight, FOC, and the all steel was not worth it. From everyone i talked to including Hoss, suggest the full length aluminum to help the shaft from snapping right behind the insert. But i do think the steel sleeve is a must.
 
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I did some testing a few months ago over an array of elk arrows. The systems tested were, Gold Tip Pierce Tour 250's one with Ethics Aluminum sleeve/SS insert Easton Epoxied on, one with with an Easton Ti 1/2 out, using Easton epoxy. The other 2 arrows were a 280 Injexion with 2 Deep6 inserts and a Iron will 25 grain footer and the last arrow was a Axis match 260 with 50 grain brass insert and 25 grain Iron will footer. All arrows were shot at 25 yards directly into a rough cut fur 1 by 10 followed by a piece of pink board and then backed with a cinder block. All arrows were tipped with 100 Exodus BH's and shot from a 73# RealmX at 30.5" of draw. All arrows took 2 shots before any started to fail. First to go was the Gold Tip with 1/2 out, but I believe a deep6 insert behind the 1/2 out would help this. The next arrow to fail was the Injexion, 3 shots, the next was the Ethics Gold Tip and finally the Axis 260.
In the end the Ethics is my least favorite for a few reasons, the sanding being the biggest, also a perfect inside run out of the arrow is a must for them to spin well, the Gold Tip Pierce Tours while expensive as all get out are not nearly as tight of tolerances as the Injexions according to my Ram tester. The Ethic inserts themselves are very good on tolerance. Ideally a SS / SS combo would be the best but my lord that adds to much up front for my liking.
My favorite is the Axis with a footer very durable, straight, and simple. That being said I will either be using a 260 footed Axis this year or a 280 Injexion with a deep6 insert followed by a Ti Half out. I live out in the open country of central MT and the wind seems to blow more days than it doesn't so I will be doing some more testing to see if the wind drift difference is that much different while comparing apples to apples as much as possible. Either way I will be running Easton and a weight of around 525 to 555 grains.
By the way the Exodus is dang tough, even the deep6 version, just don't feel like going deep6 anymore.
 
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Breaksbulls posted a good point that I forgot to mention, having to to sand the shaft down to get the collar to fit is a bit of a pain in the *****. With that being said I ordered a dozen SS static inserts for my next build. Also the collars are a pain with a bag target.
 
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I have went through all this recently. Last year used SS insert and aluminum footer. I had an arrow snap right behind footer on a doe . She was quartered always and hit opposite leg. The arrow didnt exit body so have no idea how it broke. I have also shot straight into a concrete wall with no issue so it must of been the angle. I was around 100 grains so the insert was really short compared to the footer. After research and speaking to ethics and as others have noted this year gonna build aluminum insert and SS footer to longer internal than external as its supposed to be a stronger setup. I also bought SS static as the footer is a PITA in bag targets and sanding shaft sucks. When running static SS in the 100 grain range you get a nice amount internally (i forget exact measure but think about 1.5 inch). I'm on the fence if I'll end up running static SS or the aluminum insert SS footer. I dont see why the footer system would be stronger than the static

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Breaksbulls said:
I did some testing a few months ago over an array of elk arrows. The systems tested were, Gold Tip Pierce Tour 250's one with Ethics Aluminum sleeve/SS insert Easton Epoxied on, one with with an Easton Ti 1/2 out, using Easton epoxy. The other 2 arrows were a 280 Injexion with 2 Deep6 inserts and a Iron will 25 grain footer and the last arrow was a Axis match 260 with 50 grain brass insert and 25 grain Iron will footer. All arrows were shot at 25 yards directly into a rough cut fur 1 by 10 followed by a piece of pink board and then backed with a cinder block. All arrows were tipped with 100 Exodus BH's and shot from a 73# RealmX at 30.5" of draw. All arrows took 2 shots before any started to fail. First to go was the Gold Tip with 1/2 out, but I believe a deep6 insert behind the 1/2 out would help this. The next arrow to fail was the Injexion, 3 shots, the next was the Ethics Gold Tip and finally the Axis 260.
In the end the Ethics is my least favorite for a few reasons, the sanding being the biggest, also a perfect inside run out of the arrow is a must for them to spin well, the Gold Tip Pierce Tours while expensive as all get out are not nearly as tight of tolerances as the Injexions according to my Ram tester. The Ethic inserts themselves are very good on tolerance. Ideally a SS / SS combo would be the best but my lord that adds to much up front for my liking.
My favorite is the Axis with a footer very durable, straight, and simple. That being said I will either be using a 260 footed Axis this year or a 280 Injexion with a deep6 insert followed by a Ti Half out. I live out in the open country of central MT and the wind seems to blow more days than it doesn't so I will be doing some more testing to see if the wind drift difference is that much different while comparing apples to apples as much as possible. Either way I will be running Easton and a weight of around 525 to 555 grains.
By the way the Exodus is dang tough, even the deep6 version, just don't feel like going deep6 anymore.
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Great post and thanks! You know I was about the IW until half of his sleeves didn't fit my arrow and I mean none of them I mean they went on but was a PITA but the others had zero issues. Maybe I didn't follow directions as is. I just got a set of VAP inserts and footers and they were sanded and the guy clearly try to align them based on all the sharpie marks and they still wobble.

The guy from Ethics tried to tell me like I have never built arrows you have to tune them. I am like dude they have been swapped among each other multiple times and they all wobble once sleeve is added. So seams the sleeves sucked.

I don't know I think there is another group Elk River Archery that builds them but I don't have facebook and they don't have a website. Maybe I got a bad batch from Iron Will... I have some RIP TKO with brass HITS so I am trying to find the correct footer or sleeve to solidify the front but can't figure out who is best and available with the right components!
 
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I ran the ethics as insert and the SS sleeve. I did it for the extra weight. I'm using axis match grade 260 at 30" pulling 60#s on a Halon 32-6. It's slow but super tough and strong. I didn't have to sand the shaft for the sleeve to fit. I think with my set up, I would definitely have to shoot cinder blocks or something to destroy them. I don't hunt cinder blocks so that's a no for me.

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Superbike1 said:
I ran the ethics as insert and the SS sleeve. I did it for the extra weight. I'm using axis match grade 260 at 30" pulling 60#s on a Halon 32-6. It's slow but super tough and strong. I didn't have to sand the shaft for the sleeve to fit. I think with my set up, I would definitely have to shoot cinder blocks or something to destroy them. I don't hunt cinder blocks so that's a no for me.

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How much sanding cause these slide off and on like butter but wobble a good amount. It wasn't very clear on that.... With out the sleeve they spin fine! So I know its the sleeve.
 
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