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#21 ·
Jim Casto Jr said:
I'm curious why folks keep saying the Satori isn't balanced. I've posted pictures over and over again that show the bow balances perfectly--similar to just about every recurve on the market. If you're looking for something that balances after the shot, then you'll have to add weight, either internal or external.

Does anyone really think Hoyt doesn't know how to build a bow? :)
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I'm actually considering picking up another one just to see what it takes to make it feel right for me. The Satori is one of the better looking ILF risers on the market, imo. I'm not the only one that says that it needs a little weight on the bottom to make it feel right. With several hundred trad bows having gone through my hands over the years, I have never used a stabilizer or weight on any of them.
 
#22 ·
Brad Lehmann said:
I'm actually considering picking up another one just to see what it takes to make it feel right for me. The Satori is one of the better looking ILF risers on the market, imo. I'm not the only one that says that it needs a little weight on the bottom to make it feel right. With several hundred trad bows having gone through my hands over the years, I have never used a stabilizer or weight on any of them.
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Brad, If you every try an ILF with weights may I suggest looking at Yost Archery products? He makes a weight that is adjustable 360 degrees for the perfect feel. He is a great guy to deal with. I have a couple of his tabs. They are fantastic. I plan to order one of his weights myself this spring. Adding one of these may help you develop the perfect feel and balance.
 
#23 ·
Jim, with two identical bows and two different shooters, one will say balance is perfect and other will say doesn’t balance at all. It’s all in how the archer grips the bow.
I’m biased so I will not put in a personal preference on what riser.
 
#24 ·
I've owned numerous DAS (17" and 21") and Satoris (19" and 21"). The DAS is a great system and well-made riser, but was not for me (and I really wanted to like it with so much invested). The 21" Satori is my favorite metal hunting riser at the moment (66" bow/32" draw). Here are some pros/cons of each. You can't go wrong with either, it just comes down to personal preference.

DAS:
-No doubt, a quieter connection system for hunting. However, I've had the rubber limb pads wear out and need replacing so keep extra.
-Connection system required sanding the limb butts on numerous different limbs to fit, even DAS branded limbs. I think they may offer a little more clearance on some of the newer DAS risers.
-Ability to switch to ILF, but that kind of defeats the main advantage of DAS, the quieter connection system.
-Limited to aftermarket grips of questionable quality. I've had a few of the expensive Jager grips crack and don't care for them. I'm not aware of a durable, less fragile grip.
-The front riser is flat and sharp feeling. It doesn't feel as natural and welcoming as one that has been rounded out more.
-The hump on the shelf doesn't extend over all the way. May be non-issue for those not shooting Easton 2317s off shelf.
-Bolt is used as sideplate for shooting off shelf. I found this ate up feathers faster than other side plates.

Satori:
-ILF connection system is louder for hunting and occasionally get a creaking sound on first draw (I pre-draw bow once getting on stand to alleviate this and it has not caused me to scare any deer)
-Comes with nice padded case.
-Paint finish is not as durable as other risers
-Hoyt factory plastic grip feels unbreakable. I prefer the older wood grips and know some people have had those crack, but haven't had issues with any so far.
-I really like the radius sideplate module system for shooting off the shelf. I found that bolts used on other risers tear up feathers more frequently.

Both:
-Both hold value well on used market. If you are lucky to find what you're looking for used you'll get most of your money back if it doesn't end up working for you.
 
#26 ·
I’m really happy with both the Satori and Das. If you’re able to try both before deciding which one to go with that would be worthwhile.
You can’t really go wrong with either, in both instances you can either go with shooting off the shelf or an elevated rest.
 
#28 ·
I just jumped into ILF with a DAS Dalaa 21" that I borrowed and got the new DAS HT-21. The quality and versatility of the DAS risers is great. If I was sticking with ILF I wouldn't feel the need to shoot anything else. That being said, there is too much adjustment that I can't leave alone and am selling my HT-21 setup.
 
#29 ·
I’m in the same boat and narrowed my choices down to the Satori, DAS, Tradtech, and Phoenix for all the reasons mentioned. The consensus is that all are top notch and pretty similar. If you can shoot one or even hold one to get a feel the. I think it would make the decision easier.
 
#34 ·
The Satori would be my first choice among any other metal risers, because I shoot off the shelf. That is the only reason I prefer it over any other metal risers currently available in the market.

As far as the balance issue is concerned, yes that is the only thing that annoys me about it. I have to change the way I grip the bow when shooting with my Satori. Even the celebrity archer who was the face of Satori prefer shooting it with a weight attached to the lower front end of the riser.

I own 4 other risers (metal and wood) and those risers are balanced way better than the Satori.
 
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#35 ·
Brad Lehmann said:
I've never shot the DAS. Honestly, $600 for riser that looks like it was built by John Deere in Moline, Illinois (complete with counter weights) is a pill too large for me to swallow. I just cannot see myself becoming fond of that riser, or any of their other offerings.
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🤣 I have never owned a DAS , not even there limbs . However on occasion when I "am having a tough day" I go back to your quote and LMAO ! As Madd Bear said that made me laugh also . Because I have owned many high HP big John Deere tractors !!!! ...... Brad nice Avatar BTW (y)
 
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#36 ·
I love my satoris but I hear the daas's are great too I also have rocked a discovery which isn't bad but the grip leaves a bit to be desired
right now i have have my story rocking some gp limbs in 28#s for some 3d shenanigans
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#37 ·
I have had my Satori for a while and the finish has held up well. As far as any creeping noise on the first shot I’ve never had that happen. Actually, I have my Satori about as quiet as an ILF can be. As far as weight or balance I haven’t had any issues there either.
 
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I just received the Titan 3 about 4 days ago shoots nice, experimenting with the grips. I be shooting this with vanes and center rest, has the bottom weight feels not bad still trying it out. I pick the Titan 3 because of two rest hole and it has the two pieces mounting hole for my quivers, these quivers are the only ones I use.
I also have a 17'' Satori shoots good ( even better when I change the grip ) with Uukha long limbs smooth, I had the Das Masters limbs winex on this riser very smooth as well. The Das Tribute would of been a perfect riser if they had more choices of grips I don't like the limb bolt nut If you loose the wrench well. The Das is good that you can use Das or ILF limbs the HT 21 would be a good choice.
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