So I am switching my setup this year to a .204 TKO and planning on running ethics stainless components. From what I am gathering from ethics is when you run there stainless post which looks like a tradition insert you still have to run there sleeve. I would just like to run the 100 grain post can anyone tell me why they are saying you have to run the sleeve thanks.
Can someone help me with Ethics .204 setup question
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So I am switching my setup this year to a .204 TKO and planning on running ethics stainless components. From what I am gathering from ethics is when you run there stainless post which looks like a tradition insert you still have to run there sleeve. I would just like to run the 100 grain post can anyone tell me why they are saying you have to run the sleeve thanks.
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I'm running the Ethics on a 200 spine .024 Sirius Apollo shaft 100 grain. They are half outs. I haven't smashed any bone with them yet, but they appear to be badddddddd arse !!!
I'm running a unreleased prototype 150 grain COC single bevel with them and they fly right with my field tips. So i'd say the half outs are a winner by Ethics. A bit pricey I guess ? But,no one else has a comparable mix to compete for the business. Thats what drives costs down.
I'm running a unreleased prototype 150 grain COC single bevel with them and they fly right with my field tips. So i'd say the half outs are a winner by Ethics. A bit pricey I guess ? But,no one else has a comparable mix to compete for the business. Thats what drives costs down.
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You have a couple of options with Ethics. The first one has the sleeve, the second does not.
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Adjustable Outsert System, .203/.204, .267 Sleeve
Threads are 8/32 Requires a .310 Field point The sleeve is required to use the post Some sanding or gluing may be required for a proper fit For arrow compatibility, use the ARROW SHAFT SELECTOR tool on this website.
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Clean Cut Adjustable Static Insert, .203/.204, .271 O.D.
Threads are 8/32 Requires a .310 Field point For arrow compatibility, use the ARROW SHAFT SELECTOR tool on this website.
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I honestly would rather not do a half out. In my mind anything hanging out past the end of the arrow is just creating a weak point. So sgrappone in your attached pictures the top one I what I want to run. Why could I just not run that insert which is basically a standard style insert without the sleeve.
This is why.
I don’t like halfouts either.
Use a collar on a .204 arrow or shoot standard diameter. IMO
Hit inserts and a collar is probably the best. Ethics SS post and collar work well also.
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You could do the aluminum collar if your trying to save weight, trust it , it saves the shafts from hard impacts for sure
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From my experience it's rarely the weight that steers people away from using collars but that they are so difficult to pull from bag targets.
Maybe true. I got a bag that gets a little use in my basement. I don’t think it’s that bad. Just gotta give it a little pop and it comes right out. But 95% of my arrows are shot into foam including in my basement.
Arrow integrity is more important to me than how it pulls out of a bag target and it ain’t even close between a half out and something thats collared.
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Works on 204 shafts as well! Ethics bend to easy
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How did you make those footers?
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I prefer the half outserts over the post and collar and have used both. The biggest pain with the collar is some will not fit shaft perfectly and you need to sand the end of the shaft for the collar to fit.
This ....and then after i did sand my arrow down enough for the sleeve to go on, I could not get them to spin perfect.
Never could figure out a way to hot melt one on.
So if I didn't glue it on somehow, if your point comes loose or have to change one, the sleeve moved on arrow and made what half way decent spin I was able to get worse and would half to start over again trying to get the best spin.
Allota people like em.....I just couldn't get em to work for me
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Cut a 1716 aluminum shaft. I use aluminum shafts the same diameter of the shaft i am going to use.
Biggest reason I switched to hit inserts and collars.This ....and then after i did sand my arrow down enough for the sleeve to go on, I could not get them to spin perfect.
Never could figure out a way to hot melt one on.
So if I didn't glue it on somehow, if your point comes loose or have to change one, the sleeve moved on arrow and made what half way decent spin I was able to get worse and would half to start over again trying to get the best spin.
Allota people like em.....I just couldn't get em to work for me
I even order the collars a thousand or two smaller and sand to a friction fit. built 18 like that this year and there was 2 I marked as practice arrows. All the others could be in my #1 quiver spot. Longevity and durability is better to imo.
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Have you guys noticed any difference in the arrows after you sand them. I have stayed away from doing that because in my mind I think that changing the integrity, shape and structure would have to affect the strength and flight but maybe it’s so minimal that it doesn’t. I don’t know. Curious what y’all’s thoughts are.
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Way more consistent to sand a thou or two off than have a collar that’s loose for me.
I chuck em up in a cordless drill and flip a worksharp belt inside out and take it slow till the collar is a friction fit.
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