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#123 ·
I am sorry I didn't read all 6 pages. If it has been suggested or asked I apologize.

But isn't this chart for his Long Bow? I don't think he even shot a recurve, much less anything with composite limbs. If that is the case, to best harness the energy with a wooden longbow high gpp is needed to have the most efficient dwell.

I am not defending the chart, more so asking the question
 
#124 ·
RJH1 said:
Those twizzlers may be fine for shooting IBO, but foam don't have no bone. You need to get you some adult arrows, drink in the good docs advice, and start really killing animals. In the real world animals don't hold still, build you a quality arrow of about 700 grains and if a deer moves a bit you don't have to worry, it'll chop through bone like a hatchet. Leave the twizzlers for the kids
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What are the specs on your "adult" arrows? Speed & weight?

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#126 ·
RJH1 said:
Those twizzlers may be fine for shooting IBO, but foam don't have no bone. You need to get you some adult arrows, drink in the good docs advice, and start really killing animals. In the real world animals don't hold still, build you a quality arrow of about 700 grains and if a deer moves a bit you don't have to worry, it'll chop through bone like a hatchet. Leave the twizzlers for the kids
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Haha [emoji23]

I been bowhunting since 1970.

You have any idea how many critters I arrowed and ate ? Yes even with IBO arrows too.

Since you sound like a FOC boy, let me turn you in your grave before you go.

My arrow now is a 28.75 inch cut Easton FMJ 5mm 300 spine, PSE EVO EVL 32 @ 80 pounds. Stock HIT inserts with a 125 or 150 grain Crimson Talon Cleaver single bevel. $29 pack of 3 heads.

I just pounded a 200 pound boar hog last nite with it that went 20 feet not yards and puked [emoji2961] his lungs out after a 70 yard shot.

My FOC ain’t hardly 14%. But like I said, location son.

Sure my FMJ gave up the ghost, but I got pork in exchange.

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Haha Twizzle this son


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#127 ·
Sight Window said:
This is now six pages of arguing with physics. Yes, you can kill any number of different size animals with an arrow of any weight. Regardless of the animal or target- an arrow with more weight will out perform a lighter arrow in penetration.

Simple physis that can not be disputed.

I appreciate the fact that the chart might be overboard but it is just show the relationship between weight and penetration. There are many more factors listed before arrow weight and FOC in Ashby's list.
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These were my first thoughts, too.

There’s not a lot to be upset about, unless you don’t like physics.
 
#128 · (Edited)
RJH1 said:
In the real world animals don't hold still…
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Exactly why speed is also important, especially at longer distances. The slower the arrow, the more time the animal has to react to the shot before it hits them, increasing the chance of missing the vitals or hitting solid bone on what would have been a good shot. And yeah, yeah, I know heavier arrows are quieter than lighter ones out of the same bow, making the animal less likely to jump. Even so, I’ve yet to experience a shot so quiet that a deer wouldn’t be able to hear it. The Ashby foundation conveniently ignores that part of the equation though, don’t they?

Like most things in life, I believe arrow selection to be about balance based on circumstances. Unfortunately, short minded people tend to get tunnel vision and can’t see the big picture. Not calling out anyone here, just a general observation.
 
#129 ·
chugg said:
Man this is just garbage. I went from the top 10% of elk hunters straight to the bottom with an F just from my arrow weight selection! Don’t tell the 15+ elk I killed! They might just come back to haunt me now cause I didn’t kill em dead’nuf with 500+gr arrows. My sub 500’s still shattered the femur of a mule deer. Still blasted through the sternum of elk!
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You ate them when they were still alive.
 
#130 ·
doulos said:
The chart is meaningless. If velocity is not factored in momentum cant be known. To increase momentum to insure a pass though you either increase velocity or mass or both. Thats why older XX75 arrows weighing about 500 got pass throughs so often. It certainly wasn't speed at that time or FOC. IT was mass fueling the momentum.
I also think the bone breaking threshold is nonsense. To think you are going to get full penetration through the heaviest bone and make killing shots because your arrow weighs 650 grains is sort of ridiculous to me. The success will be a crap shoot at best. I hunt in thick northeastern woods and even I want better trajectory than that.
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It might also be worth noting most of those old 2117s and 2315s that seemed to sail through just about everything didn't have big mechanicals strapped to the front of them either.
 
#132 ·
MIKEY CUSTOM-G said:
Haha [emoji23]

I been bowhunting since 1970.

You have any idea how many critters I arrowed and ate ? Yes even with IBO arrows too.

Since you sound like a FOC boy, let me turn you in your grave before you go.

My arrow now is a 28.75 inch cut Easton FMJ 5mm 300 spine, PSE EVO EVL 32 @ 80 pounds. Stock HIT inserts with a 125 or 150 grain Crimson Talon Cleaver single bevel. $29 pack of 3 heads.

I just pounded a 200 pound boar hog last nite with it that went 20 feet not yards and puked [emoji2961] his lungs out after a 70 yard shot.

My FOC ain’t hardly 14%. But like I said, location son.

Sure my FMJ gave up the ghost, but I got pork in exchange.

Image



Image

Haha Twizzle this son


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Hey Boomer, adult arrows are where it's at, get with the times and quit ruining my country
 
#133 ·
powhound84 said:
Exactly why speed is also important, especially at longer distances. The slower the arrow, the more time the animal has to react to the shot before it hits them, increasing the chance of missing the vitals or hitting solid bone on what would have been a good shot. And yeah, yeah, I know heavier arrows are quieter than lighter ones out of the same bow, making the animal less likely to jump. Even so, I’ve yet to experience a shot so quiet that a deer wouldn’t be able to hear it. The Ashby foundation conveniently ignores that part of the equation though, don’t they?

Like most things in life, I believe arrow selection to be about balance based on circumstances. Unfortunately, short minded people tend to get tunnel vision and can’t see the big picture. Not calling out anyone here, just a general observation.
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If you got a rangefinder that rainbow Arc don't matter. Would you rather get hit with a ping pong ball thrown by Nolan Ryan or a shot put thrown by Nolan Ryan? case closed
 
#136 ·
ruffjason said:
No there isn't. No speeds shown. Simple question.... not to mention the "chart" lists arrow weights from 350-1050+ grains. So what is your arrow mass and velocity?

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I don't know, I don't own a scale or a Chrono. But they're adult arrows that's for sure
 
#139 · (Edited)
RJH1 said:
If you got a rangefinder that rainbow Arc don't matter. Would you rather get hit with a ping pong ball thrown by Nolan Ryan or a shot put thrown by Nolan Ryan? case closed
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This is a really really bad analogy. The mass difference between a ping pong ball and a shotput is significantly greater than between a 350 grain arrow and 1000 grain arrow. Shotput is 112000 grains and a ping pong ball is 42 grains. No comparison. It was a good try tho. Silly analogy.

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