Well is there enough there to put down the V3X and buy a Phase 4? I think there will be more keeping their V3X's instead of switching.
Is there enough there to put down the V3X to go to Phase 4
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Absolutely! And it works to insane levels😉
I do like the changes. I do not like that the bow will cost near $2,000 to make it effectively what it's advertised as. It is certainly not worth the price with all that considered.
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Nope though I don't actually have that options. I was holding out hope their longer ATA offering this year would once again be available to shorter draw lengths but once again following the new industry trend of thinking short DL folks only like short ATA bows. The Traverse superiority lives another year it would seem and honestly with the new price point I'm not sure even it if was available there's a value there for what's gained over it.
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This. I think they did some innovative things this year, but innovation isn't worth nearly what a new bow cost 10 years ago in stabilizer accessories, just to integrate in the riser/rear mount.
You are looking at $700 or better for two stabilizers and the rear mount.
They still haven’t addressed what everyone bitches about the finish they should have just kept the v3x series and did photo fusion
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I don’t see why’d you go to the trouble. You could pretty much sell a v3x right now and only lose $100-200. Then buy the new bow. I bet limbs will be $400-500 and it’s be summer before you saw them, they’re not going to send limbs out in the beginning.
I guess they'd work but who knows, probably need to see it in person I imagine.
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Im perfectly ok with my VXR/V3X. I dont mind them making tweaks to keep building on a system. Im sure the Phase 4 is a hell of a bow. But the specs are the same, the VXR/V3X were both quiet and dead in the hand enough already - so no real upgrade there. I dont see the need to upgrade.
That being said, if you shoot a front bar, back bar and atlas mount - thats 700+ bucks JUST for your stab setup. Thats where it went off the rails.
So the only thing you cant do with the V3X is use the bridgelock stabs. And theres no chance I spend 700 bucks, plus the cost difference to sell the V3X and buy a Phase 4 to use stabilizers that I dont see as an actual upgrade over just screwing the stabs in the regular way.
Im perfectly ok with my VXR/V3X. I dont mind them making tweaks to keep building on a system. Im sure the Phase 4 is a hell of a bow. But the specs are the same, the VXR/V3X were both quiet and dead in the hand enough already - so no real upgrade there. I dont see the need to upgrade.
That being said, if you shoot a front bar, back bar and atlas mount - thats 700+ bucks JUST for your stab setup. Thats where it went off the rails.
So the only thing you cant do with the V3X is use the bridgelock stabs. And theres no chance I spend 700 bucks, plus the cost difference to sell the V3X and buy a Phase 4 to use stabilizers that I dont see as an actual upgrade over just screwing the stabs in the regular way.
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The phase 4 looks like a great bow, just not a big enough improvement to justify upgrading from my V3X.
Do y'all think stabilizer manufacturers will be making a bridgelock adaptable option? With the sight, Mathews capitalized on the fact that there were already dovetails sights, so most offerings didn't have to change much. but I'm not sure how that will work out with the stabilizers.
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I don't think there is ever enough change year to year to justify buying a new bow every year. Regardless of manufacturer it's extremely rare changes year to year make much of a difference. I personally wouldn't be dropping my rx7u if it comes out with turbo cams for 2023. There would have to be significant improvements before i look at a new bow. I could see someone buying a new bow for a draw cycle preference due to new cams but i personally wouldn't buy a bow with a draw cycle i didn't like in the first place. Realistically i wouldn't even consider a new bow for another 4 years. There are plenty of people in here though that buy the latest and greatest ever single year.
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I don’t see the point of the bridgelock stabilizer. I was a big fan of the bridgelock sight mounting system when I first got my V3X, but am no longer convinced it presents any advantage. If I had it to do over again, I think I’d buy a standard mount sight for my V3X; I think they tend to be lighter than dovetail sights even without the dovetail mounting hardware, and many sights are low profile enough to work with the low pro quiver. I’ll take the overall weight savings over the minor weight distribution advantage.
As far as the reduced vibration in the Phase 4, I genuinely don’t see the advantage over just putting a limbsaver dampener in between the limbs. My V3X is already extremely quiet and low vibration, and I haven’t had the urge to add any further vibration dampening. And frankly, I would want to wait to see how the dependability shakes out on the Phase 4 style limbs long term. More limbs seems like more to go wrong.
As far as the reduced vibration in the Phase 4, I genuinely don’t see the advantage over just putting a limbsaver dampener in between the limbs. My V3X is already extremely quiet and low vibration, and I haven’t had the urge to add any further vibration dampening. And frankly, I would want to wait to see how the dependability shakes out on the Phase 4 style limbs long term. More limbs seems like more to go wrong.
What I’m about to say is not meant to be a negative comment about Mathews, just an observation and personal opinion.
I’ve felt for quite some time that Mathews ACTUALLY releases a new bow every 5-6 years. As in they knew what direction they eventually wanted to go with the V series when they released the vertix. However, to maximize profits, they’ve slowly added those features of that bow year by year (to sell more bows). If it works, solid strategy. I also think they will continue to do that until it doesn’t work for them. They are a business, and businesses like to make money. And when people rush to buy the latest bow just to have it, then they reinforce that strategy. I personally won’t be one of them.
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I agree 100% with everything you just said.
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The carbon bows have a totally different feel and sound....I don't know if you can really compare them in that aspect. Some carbons vibrate like crazy...I shot one of the PSE carbons and it reverberated quite a bit....others like the RX7 are absolutely dead as far as vibe. There is a totally different feel, and sound to carbon vs aluminum. Some aluminum bows are less vibey...some are more. Same with Carbons...some of the PSE carbons are said to be super dead...but the one I shot wasn't. Some of the Hoyt carbons have some felt vibration...or more of a 'hum'...some are totally dead....so it is hard to really answer your question in my experience with carbon bows...they are just different.
A lot of immature talk here….
I am Mathews Shooter & have been all my life, I am a coach/instructor, pro- staffer & have worked in the industry. Most manufactures now make decent bows and there is very little difference between them….other than BS egos & talk all bows have their pros & cons…..
Bottom line is I personally don’t see any advantage in the new Phase3 Bows series over the V3X series…..My V3X-29 is dead silent with broadheads, heavy arrows & perfectly fine to shoot…..Many pigs found that out too late…….If your V3X-29 can’t shoot accurately to 50M without a Bridge-Lock Stabiliser……..Then give-up playing with bows and start playing Cricket or Tennis……Oh! And they seem to be the same speed too…..Just the same old same old tricks from Mathews for all those egos & talkers to put their cash down…
BTW just add a slightly weighted damper to the Bottom of the Mathews V3X-29 or 33 and it will do exactly the same thing the Bridge-lock Stabiliser system is trying to do
Love my Mathews V3X-29
I am Mathews Shooter & have been all my life, I am a coach/instructor, pro- staffer & have worked in the industry. Most manufactures now make decent bows and there is very little difference between them….other than BS egos & talk all bows have their pros & cons…..
Bottom line is I personally don’t see any advantage in the new Phase3 Bows series over the V3X series…..My V3X-29 is dead silent with broadheads, heavy arrows & perfectly fine to shoot…..Many pigs found that out too late…….If your V3X-29 can’t shoot accurately to 50M without a Bridge-Lock Stabiliser……..Then give-up playing with bows and start playing Cricket or Tennis……Oh! And they seem to be the same speed too…..Just the same old same old tricks from Mathews for all those egos & talkers to put their cash down…
BTW just add a slightly weighted damper to the Bottom of the Mathews V3X-29 or 33 and it will do exactly the same thing the Bridge-lock Stabiliser system is trying to do
Love my Mathews V3X-29
If they don't make major upgrades it's better to wait a couple of years to justify the expense.
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