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I think we need to stop calling upper 12's . After the scores this weekend it is
obvious these guys are hitting what they are trying to hit. I think if there is a ring on the
target it should be scored. Upper and lower 12's and the center ring 11. So what if you slop into a ring
the best shooters will still win. It would sure be a lot easier for people watching on TV.
Just my 2cents
 
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I assume we are talking pros here? In that case - No slop shots. I would go the other way, keep it called and make every shot called… call any 12 and the 10 ring disappears so you get either a 12 or an 8.
Or just leave it alone as is?
 
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I've never understood why they put 3 rings inside the 10 ring. One is only good if you call it and one means absolutely nothing.

I would be in favor of leaving the lower as 12, the upper a 12 if called and the center an 11. There's plenty of left over space around those 3 rings to only get a 10. Otherwise just keep the big 10 ring and only have one arbitrary ring inside as a 12.
 
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I'd like them to have only one 12 ring somewhere in the 10 ring and leave the 14 ring.
And to get 12 or 14 points you have to call before the shot and if you miss you get the points you hit.
Unless of course you call the 12 and hit the 14 you only get 8, or if you call the 14 and hit the 12 you only get 10.
 
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ArrowSmith Archery said:
I don’t like two point score jumps. A one point bonus would keep people from running away with the score.
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Not sure I understand that reasoning… A 405 1st place to a 400 2nd place with 1 point bonus ring or a 410 1st place to a 400 2nd place with a 2 point bonus both equate to a 5 bonus lead. I guess 1 just sounds better to the 2nd place shooter!
 
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I’ve never seen the logic in the scoring of the upper-lower rings as twelves and center ring just a ten. If I was King, the center would be twelve, upper lowers would be elevens, and the rest of the ten ring…a ten. I like the fourteen as a high risk; high reward spot.

I’m just a casual, local 3 D shooter, so my 2 cents are just that.
 
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hrtlnd164 said:
Not sure I understand that reasoning… A 405 1st place to a 400 2nd place with 1 point bonus ring or a 410 1st place to a 400 2nd place with a 2 point bonus both equate to a 5 bonus lead. I guess 1 just sounds better to the 2nd place shooter!
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I guess that’s right. Not much difference other than the look on the scorecard.
 
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Venari Cervorum said:
I just think the 14 ring should be on the head of the targets.

No other changes.
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It’s hard enough to keep idiots from tearing up targets by shooting them in the head at these local ranges. Surely we wouldn’t want to promote that unethical behavior in a 3D hunting target. Would we????
 
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ArrowSmith Archery said:
It’s hard enough to keep idiots from tearing up targets by shooting them in the head at these local ranges. Surely we wouldn’t want to promote that unethical behavior in a 3D hunting target. Would we????
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I don't know that name calling people that aren't in the conversation to defend themselves is especially productive, but I guess it demonstrates your passion for the topic of scoring ring location, and I can respect passion.

Anyway,

To confirm I understand your position:

You think aiming a deer at the location of the red dot (14 ring) on the image below is more "ethical" than running a broadhead through the brain?



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If you
Venari Cervorum said:
I don't know that name calling people that aren't in the conversation to defend themselves is especially productive, but I guess it demonstrates your passion for the topic of scoring ring location, and I can respect passion.

Anyway,

To confirm I understand your position:

You think aiming a deer at the location of the red dot (14 ring) on the image below is more "ethical" than running a broadhead through the brain?



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If you have ever tried to maintain an expensive 3D range, you would definitely think idiots are putting it mild for some of the damage you will encounter from the crowds when they don’t take the shot seriously.
As far as your reference to ethical shots, I’ll just leave it alone. I can see that my perception of ethical shot placement/ promoting such is quite different than yours. I just think there is way too many negative consequences to shooting at an animals head. I feel like promoting it through tournament 3D archery would encourage people to make those decisions in the field.
Just my opinion.
Thanks for the reply!
 
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ArrowSmith Archery said:
If you

If you have ever tried to maintain an expensive 3D range, you would definitely think idiots are putting it mild for some of the damage you will encounter from the crowds when they don’t take the shot seriously.
As far as your reference to ethical shots, I’ll just leave it alone. I can see that my perception of ethical shot placement/ promoting such is quite different than yours. I just think there is way too many negative consequences to shooting at an animals head. I feel like promoting it through tournament 3D archery would encourage people to make those decisions in the field.
Just my opinion.
Thanks for the reply!
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I am quite heavily involved in maintaining my club's 3D course, and it is very nice. I've not once thought the other members and people that shoot tournaments there are idiots. I dont know, perhaps the problems you're experiencing are regional in nature.

Do you think there are negative consequences with aiming way high and way back on live animals? (as shown by the red dot (14 ring) in the picture I posted) If so, do you think promoting those shots through tournament 3D archery would encourage people to make those decisions in the field?

It is my opinion that bow hunting "ethics" and scoring ring location are completely unrelated to each other. If they were some how correlated, the 14 rings as currently located would be pretty "unethical". No?
 
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Venari Cervorum said:
I am quite heavily involved in maintaining my club's 3D course, and it is very nice. I've not once thought the other members and people that shoot tournaments there are idiots. I dont know, perhaps the problems you're experiencing are regional in nature.

Do you think there are negative consequences with aiming way high and way back on live animals? (as shown by the red dot (14 ring) in the picture I posted) If so, do you think promoting those shots through tournament 3D archery would encourage people to make those decisions in the field?

It is my opinion that bow hunting "ethics" and scoring ring location are completely unrelated to each other. If they were some how correlated, the 14 rings as currently located would be pretty "unethical". No?
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I apologize for upsetting you. Maybe you are blowing this a little out of proportion, and I definitely think we are becoming off topic. If you are interested in continuing under another thread I’ll try to locate it, but I don’t think dragging this one out is fair to the other followers. Thanks, and sorry for offending you with my opinion.
 
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ArrowSmith Archery said:
I apologize for upsetting you. Maybe you are blowing this a little out of proportion, and I definitely think we are becoming off topic. If you are interested in continuing under another thread I’ll try to locate it, but I don’t think dragging this one out is fair to the other followers. Thanks, and sorry for offending you with my opinion.
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Oh no apologies needed, my friend. I'm not offended at all. I stated my opinion in post 10 about a rule change I'd like to see. You chose to engage me and politely asked me a question about my opinion and shared your opinion. I politely answered your question about my opinion, and politely asked some questions about your opinion. I didnt change the topic to bowhunting ethics and I didnt call anyone "idiots". Perhaps you're offended? I hope not. That wasn't my intention.

Either way, I'd be happy to discuss further the moving of the 14 ring any time you'd like.
 
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Maybe even better for the 14 ring, especially after reading the couple posts about unethical shots, is to make the 14 ring in the actual spot where the heart is.

That's how the original Makenzie targets were. Instead of a 10 ring it was a heart shot.
 
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highnoonhunter said:
Maybe even better for the 14 ring, especially after reading the couple posts about unethical shots, is to make the 14 ring in the actual spot where the heart is.

That's how the original Makenzie targets were. Instead of a 10 ring it was a heart shot.
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There's not enough risk to your score if you're shooting at a 14 that surrounded by 12s and the 10.

The head creates the most risk/reward for the shooter. Good for score volatility and the increased potential for a complete miss is good for the audience.

I think bow hunters are smart enough to know the difference between when they're shooting for score and when they're trying to humanely kill an animal.

I don't think many people aim way high and back on live game because of the 14 ring location now. I also don't think head shots will suddenly become common on live game because the 14 ring is on the head.
 
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