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Looks like the new 2024 Bear flagship will be the Persist or Persistent (might not be how they spell it).
not much info out on it yet other than it will have the EKO cams and very V3Xor Phase 4 ish from the profile.
If I was betting I would say it will be 345ish IBO, 6.25 brace 31inch ATA and very similar to last years bow in draw.
Always cool to see new things hit the market.
 
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Cowhornslammer88 said:
Bear is cheap junk.. but thanks to the hunting public sales are through the roof!!
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Spoken like a true elitest. Bear has been around since the beginning yes they make budget friendly equipment but they are far from junk. Good for bear finding a marketing platform to generate some interest in their products.
 
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The problem is Bear's flagship pricing has crept into the premium market while still keeping their budget reputation and quality. Not trashing them, but not many would pick a Bear over the other premium brands at similar pricing. Their midline and budget RTH setups are very solid value. The flagship just isn't going to get it done vs the rest of that market.
 
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From a build quality stand point the flagship Bears are as good, or better in some aspects, than any other premium bow. Their pricing is in line with other flagships too. If they have a tough time selling them, and I'm not saying they are, it's because of brand issues and incorrect assumptions.
 
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I know quite a few guys that don't shoot their bows daily year round. They pull the bow out a couple of weeks before the season starts and check their aim points and practice up until hunting time and then the bow is stored away again after they take a deer or in many cases when firearms season starts.

For those guys a Bear RTH package or the like makes perfect sense and a Bear bow will last them several years without issue.

Not everyone needs or can afford a high dollar big name flagship bow.
 
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BlackSunshyne said:
The problem is Bear's flagship pricing has crept into the premium market while still keeping their budget reputation and quality.
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Not true. The Executes are true flagship level bows, not like previous years that were only "top of the line" Bears. The Executes use a full billet riser (unlike previous "flagship" Bears that used cast aluminum), wide billet limb pockets and wide limbs. From a build standpoint they are as good as anything Bowtech, PSE and Prime are putting out. The "problem" is that people can't get past the "Walmart" image that Bear has developed, as was so perfectly shown by the comment prior. The Executes are priced the same as other brand's flagships because they are using the same quality materials as the others.
 
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veritas.archangel said:
Not true. The Executes are true flagship level bows, not like previous years that were only "top of the line" Bears. The Executes use a full billet riser (unlike previous "flagship" Bears that used cast aluminum), wide billet limb pockets and wide limbs. From a build standpoint they are as good as anything Bowtech, PSE and Prime are putting out. The "problem" is that people can't get past the "Walmart" image that Bear has developed, as was so perfectly shown by the comment prior. The Executes are priced the same as other brand's flagships because they are using the same quality materials as the others.
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Do the flagships come with a better factory string set than the RTH bows? My dad has a Species, and I think it's pretty sweet for what it is. But man, the factory orange and tan string set was abysmal and hardly usable.
 
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veritas.archangel said:
Not true. The Executes are true flagship level bows, not like previous years that were only "top of the line" Bears. The Executes use a full billet riser (unlike previous "flagship" Bears that used cast aluminum), wide billet limb pockets and wide limbs. From a build standpoint they are as good as anything Bowtech, PSE and Prime are putting out. The "problem" is that people can't get past the "Walmart" image that Bear has developed, as was so perfectly shown by the comment prior. The Executes are priced the same as other brand's flagships because they are using the same quality materials as the others.
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Put them against a Mathews, Hoyt. PSE or Bowtech at the same price and no potential buyers are walking out with a Bear. Call it whatever you like, that's just the reality of their current situation. They may make a fine flagship bow, and maybe it is comparable to the rest of them as you say. The few reviews of the Execute seem favorable, although Outdoor Life trashed it in the 2023 shootout. They just aren't currently competitive in that portion of the market. It will take years of effort and quality bows to even get into that conversation.
 
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BlackSunshyne said:
Put them against a Mathews, Hoyt. PSE or Bowtech at the same price and no potential buyers are walking out with a Bear. Call it whatever you like, that's just the reality of their current situation. They may make a fine flagship bow, and maybe it is comparable to the rest of them as you say. The few reviews of the Execute seem favorable, although Outdoor Life trashed it in the 2023 shootout. They just aren't currently competitive in that portion of the market. It will take years of effort and quality bows to even get into that conversation.
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That’s brand stigma not based on quality of product. If people can keep bias out the equation. Bear bows are no worse than anyone else’s. You’d need a blindfolded shoot off to be able to get honest opinions.
 
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Cdn1 said:
That’s brand stigma not based on quality of product. If people can keep bias out the equation. Bear bows are no worse than anyone else’s. You’d need a blindfolded shoot off to be able to get honest opinions.
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Call it whatever you like, I have nothing against them at all. They are just an afterthought in that market. You may say it's an unfairly earned reputation and that they have changed. As I said before it would take years to reestablish themselves as a top tier bow manufacturer.
 
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The Bear bows I've seen appear excellent quality for the budget models and I've shot with a few guys that shoot them for 3D and they appear to be great bows.
I'd say it's safe to say their flagship bows are just as awesome as any other flagship from another brand.

However for me, I'll never own one as long as the current parent company owns them.
Some of us old timers still remember what happened in the mid 90s when they abruptly shut the doors on another company leaving dealers and customers out in the cold.
 
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Venari Cervorum said:
Do the flagships come with a better factory string set than the RTH bows? My dad has a Species, and I think it's pretty sweet for what it is. But man, the factory orange and tan string set was abysmal and hardly usable.
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Yes, they use a very different quality string.
 
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BlackSunshyne said:
Put them against a Mathews, Hoyt. PSE or Bowtech at the same price and no potential buyers are walking out with a Bear. Call it whatever you like, that's just the reality of their current situation. They may make a fine flagship bow, and maybe it is comparable to the rest of them as you say. The few reviews of the Execute seem favorable, although Outdoor Life trashed it in the 2023 shootout. They just aren't currently competitive in that portion of the market. It will take years of effort and quality bows to even get into that conversation.
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That doesn't make them bad bows. And I agree, that stigma has been the thing that makes selling them hard. We always include one of the Executes when we are demoing bows with a customer, and very often the bow ends up near the top of the list, but when that customer sets them aside it is always about the brand name. They like the bow, but have a hard time spending that money on a "Bear". It is never about fit, finish, draw cycle, shot sequence. It is always about the name. There is a reason Honda came up with the Acura brand (as did Toyota with Lexus and Nissan did with Infinity), it was because they knew us Americans couldn't see spending big money on a "luxury" Honda. Quality be damned, the brand image is really what a lot of people care about.
 
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