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RavinHood said:
Most shops is $50 I’ve seen some shops recently charge $100-$200 tho which is crazy cuz Mathews ain’t charging that
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Actually, the dealer cost for any color other than Black and RealTree is an extra $50. To do combo colors or different string colors is another $50 upcharge to the dealer. So, an Ambush 29.5 costs the dealer an extra $50. But, if you buy an Ambush 29.5 with orange strings, that bow costs the dealer $100 more than a Black 29.5 with black strings. A Granite bow with Elevate II limbs and orange strings would be an increase of $150 to the dealer.

Technically Mathews expects dealers to nearly double that upcharge. So for a shop to charge you $100-200 for a "custom color" (again, anything other than black and Realtree) with colored strings, is right in the ballpark for what Mathews expects.

Shops that aren't upcharging for those colors, combos, or colored strings are actually making less profits off of those bows.
 
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veritas.archangel said:
Actually, the dealer cost for any color other than Black and RealTree is an extra $50. To do combo colors or different string colors is another $50 upcharge to the dealer. So, an Ambush 29.5 costs the dealer an extra $50. But, if you buy an Ambush 29.5 with orange strings, that bow costs the dealer $100 more than a Black 29.5 with black strings. A Granite bow with Elevate II limbs and orange strings would be an increase of $150 to the dealer.

Technically Mathews expects dealers to nearly double that upcharge. So for a shop to charge you $100-200 for a "custom color" (again, anything other than black and Realtree) with colored strings, is right in the ballpark for what Mathews expects.

Shops that aren't upcharging for those colors, combos, or colored strings are actually making less profits off of those bows.
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Well I guess so. I was a platinum dealer and didn’t have to pay the up charges and didn’t charge my customers either
 
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RavinHood said:
Well I guess so. I was a platinum dealer and didn’t have to pay the up charges and didn’t charge my customers either
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I can show you the dealer pricing sheet. Right at the bottom it shows the upcharges for colors, combos and colored strings. Those upcharges go to all dealers, regardless of levels. But with the discount higher level dealers get, they can afford to not pass on the upcharge to customers. As a bronze dealer, we get hit with the upcharges and we pay more for the bows.
 
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veritas.archangel said:
I can show you the dealer pricing sheet. Right at the bottom it shows the upcharges for colors, combos and colored strings. Those upcharges go to all dealers, regardless of levels. But with the discount higher level dealers get, they can afford to not pass on the upcharge to customers. As a bronze dealer, we get hit with the upcharges and we pay more for the bows.
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I’m not arguing brother. I get it and understand. Totally makes sense
 
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RavinHood said:
I’m not arguing brother. I get it and understand. Totally makes sense
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It sucks because the bigger stores can sell below MSRP, eat the upcharges, and still make more than we can. Which is why Mathews really tries to limit the number of dealers in a particular area, based on either distance or population.
 
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norcalmx391 said:
There is an easy solution for that. Order more bows!
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Haha. You do realize that dealers have to pay for the bows, whether they sell or not? Mathews is our number one seller, and even then we only sell a little over 50 of them a year.
 
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norcalmx391 said:
You can’t sell what you don’t have. Please tell me the dealers that can’t sell a current or previous year flagship bow at a deal…I will wait.
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Curious, when you go into the auto parts store, do you try to get a "deal", or do you simply pay the price that's listed? How about at the grocery store? What about when you go buy a new jacket?

Retailers, including bow dealers, have to pay for the products in order for them to be in the store. As a smaller dealer, our best "terms" are usually "Net60" (when we are lucky). That means that products ordered must be paid for in 60 days. Most of our products are "Net30", so we have to have them paid for within 30 days. Also, as a smaller dealer we are paying between $100-200 more for those bows than a larger dealer. There is no way that any retailer can pay for a year's supply of products at once, and have them paid for within the first 30-60 days. Typically we will order a dozen bows, and then as those sell, we have the profit to replace them. For every 6 bows, we can up the inventory by one bow.

And, since the customer is already getting free labor with every bow and accessory purchase, even at MSRP they are getting a "deal".
 
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veritas.archangel said:
Curious, when you go into the auto parts store, do you try to get a "deal", or do you simply pay the price that's listed? How about at the grocery store? What about when you go buy a new jacket?

Retailers, including bow dealers, have to pay for the products in order for them to be in the store. As a smaller dealer, our best "terms" are usually "Net60" (when we are lucky). That means that products ordered must be paid for in 60 days. Most of our products are "Net30", so we have to have them paid for within 30 days. Also, as a smaller dealer we are paying between $100-200 more for those bows than a larger dealer. There is no way that any retailer can pay for a year's supply of products at once, and have them paid for within the first 30-60 days. Typically we will order a dozen bows, and then as those sell, we have the profit to replace them. For every 6 bows, we can up the inventory by one bow.

And, since the customer is already getting free labor with every bow and accessory purchase, even at MSRP they are getting a "deal".
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Sorry, but I think you continually miss the point.

You are missing customers and losing sales because you don’t have the capital to stock the most popular bow on the market. In addition you are only handicapping your business and the ability to turn a profit by giving up valuable margin on a product that already has a rather small margin as it is.

But this is irrelevant. The point I was trying to make is that no Mathews dealer will ever get “stuck” with product like the lift, because as of now, demand is not going down. This is a trend that has continued over the last three years specifically with their flagship hunting bows. They will ALWAYS sell at a price that will in return turn a profit. The margin may be smaller, but they will sell…
 
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norcalmx391 said:
Sorry, but I think you continually miss the point.

You are missing customers and losing sales because you don’t have the capital to stock the most popular bow on the market. In addition you are only handicapping your business and the ability to turn a profit by giving up valuable margin on a product that already has a rather small margin as it is.

But this is irrelevant. The point I was trying to make is that no Mathews dealer will ever get “stuck” with product like the lift, because as of now, demand is not going down. This is a trend that has continued over the last three years specifically with their flagship hunting bows. They will ALWAYS sell at a price that will in return turn a profit. The margin may be smaller, but they will sell…
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You are missing the point. As a small dealer we are also limited to how many bows we can order at the first of the year. We have never had an issue with not having enough Mathews bows. But, as a smart business, we also don't overstock. We resupply as sales happen. Up until this year, we had zero issues getting Mathews in stock in a timely fashion. As it is, because all the dealers in the area are having the same supply issues, we aren't "losing sales" as customers can't simply go to another store in the area.

Again, the point is that no retailer orders a year's worth of products at a time. They order based on perceived sales and supply.

As well, our business continues to grow, we are not "handicapping" it at all. We are simply operating within our budget and growing accordingly. One needs to remember that archery is still a hobby, and trends can change drastically very quickly. Just ask motorcycle dealers.
 
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veritas.archangel said:
Curious, when you go into the auto parts store, do you try to get a "deal", or do you simply pay the price that's listed? How about at the grocery store? What about when you go buy a new jacket?

Retailers, including bow dealers, have to pay for the products in order for them to be in the store. As a smaller dealer, our best "terms" are usually "Net60" (when we are lucky). That means that products ordered must be paid for in 60 days. Most of our products are "Net30", so we have to have them paid for within 30 days. Also, as a smaller dealer we are paying between $100-200 more for those bows than a larger dealer. There is no way that any retailer can pay for a year's supply of products at once, and have them paid for within the first 30-60 days. Typically we will order a dozen bows, and then as those sell, we have the profit to replace them. For every 6 bows, we can up the inventory by one bow.

And, since the customer is already getting free labor with every bow and accessory purchase, even at MSRP they are getting a "deal".
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We do deals all the time especially on last year flagship models . Now if you’re talking just after launch we won’t budge on a bare bow . If you buy a complete setup especially brand specific we will work with someone. You also get a better deal when paying in advance during launch week . We already order a variety so if we can order extra bow especially custom with what we’re ordering to stock the shop the price per unit on bows stabilizer gear all goes down . People that are repeat customers we cut a deal if a guy buys 2 new bows every year fully setup we cut great deals . We do charge setup and tuning fees . These new cam systems are killing bow tuning fees . We’re the money comes in is arrows vanes etc
 
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