[Swede]

How do you figure that....Morgan and Reo both thought his disputed arrow was a 9 and 2 out of 3 judges called it a 9 too. Morgan KNEW he had not won it in that end.

The thing that makes me wonder a bit is that both judges who scored Morgans arrow a 9, did so after the first judge scored it a 10 and thus knew that Morgan would win if one of them scored it 10.

I really can´t give testimony as to Morgans mind-set when the scoring took place, but I´ll ask him next time I see him.

Magnus

 

[LBmaN]

That was amazing!!!:tongue:

 

[Tuningfreak]

The thing that makes me wonder a bit is that both judges who scored Morgans arrow a 9, did so after the first judge scored it a 10 and thus knew that Morgan would win if one of them scored it 10.

Magnus

So, there were 5 people that judged the call on this arrow...Reo, Morgan, and 3 official scorers. Of the 5, 4 judged it to be a 9 and 1 judged it to be a 10. You believe 1 of the 2 judges were not impartial? I believe I've also read on here that, though unofficial, Diane Watson also felt the correct call was made in the end.

Why can't this just be dropped and Reo recieve all the accolades he deserves? It serves no purpose for archers to keep bringing this up.

 

[Sagittarius]

So, there were 5 people that judged the call on this arrow...Reo, Morgan, and 3 official scorers. Of the 5, 4 judged it to be a 9 and 1 judged it to be a 10. You believe 1 of the 2 judges were not impartial? I believe I've also read on here that, though unofficial, Diane Watson also felt the correct call was made in the end.

Why can't this just be dropped and Reo recieve all the accolades he deserves? It serves no purpose for archers to keep bringing this up.

Because inquiring minds want to know!
Why do you care if some of us have questions on Morgan's mindset ?
I find it interesting and wonder if it caused him to lose focus.

 

[white man]

awesome shoot off..
first shootoff i attended

 

[joeah]

Shoot Off Video

That was an outstanding video! Many thanks to AT for producing it!

 

[N2RCHRY]

Because inquiring minds want to know!
Why do you care if some of us have questions on Morgan's mindset ?
I find it interesting and wonder if it caused him to lose focus.

Well if it did(cause him to lose focus) that just proves even more who the better shooter was...

 

[Swede]

Well if it did(cause him to lose focus) that just proves even more who the better shooter was...

It doesn´t prove a thing, In my book they are equal archers all of them. I mean many of the guys in the shoot-0ff have won the tournament in the past. Would you say that they aren´t as good archers as Reo or Morgan? I wouldn´t.

I can say however that being able to refocus in a split second after being wrongfully announced as the winner is a feat that I doubt that Reo or anyone else would have been able to cope with had they been the one wrongfully annonunced.

Archery is a mindgame and I would equal what happened to a psych-out. Now I´m not pointing fingers at Reo or anyone else, the call was made. I do feel however that the call should have come before the anouncer made it "official"

I do however consider the shoot-off of Vegas 09 to be the greatest display of mental thoughness ever displayed by both Reo and Morgan

My 0,02$

Magnus

 

[Sagittarius]

Great post, Magnus. :thumbs_up
You're an enlightened man !
I agree 100% with everything you said !

 

[Tuningfreak]

It doesn´t prove a thing, In my book they are equal archers all of them. I mean many of the guys in the shoot-0ff have won the tournament in the past. Would you say that they aren´t as good archers as Reo or Morgan? I wouldn´t.

I can say however that being able to refocus in a split second after being wrongfully announced as the winner is a feat that I doubt that Reo or anyone else would have been able to cope with had they been the one wrongfully annonunced.

Archery is a mindgame and I would equal what happened to a psych-out. Now I´m not pointing fingers at Reo or anyone else, the call was made. I do feel however that the call should have come before the anouncer made it "official"

I do however consider the shoot-off of Vegas 09 to be the greatest display of mental thoughness ever displayed by both Reo and Morgan

My 0,02$

Magnus

Here, here! Well said. I have no problem in wondering what went thru the mind of Morgan with the up n down of the arrow call, I just don't think it's right to imply the win was fixed. I too believe there should have been no public announcement of the arrow score until it was officially resolved. I went to bed thinking Morgan had won, then woke up to find out it was Reo who won.....all because of the way it was announced. THAT I agree needs to be fixed.

Maybe, the 2 extra judges that call the arrow need to make their call in secret to the tournament director, or write their score down then everyone reveals at once, so as not to put any undo pressure on the last person to call the arrow in a tie breaker situation.

 

[N2RCHRY]

It doesn´t prove a thing, In my book they are equal archers all of them. I mean many of the guys in the shoot-0ff have won the tournament in the past. Would you say that they aren´t as good archers as Reo or Morgan? I wouldn´t.

I can say however that being able to refocus in a split second after being wrongfully announced as the winner is a feat that I doubt that Reo or anyone else would have been able to cope with had they been the one wrongfully annonunced.

Archery is a mindgame and I would equal what happened to a psych-out. Now I´m not pointing fingers at Reo or anyone else, the call was made. I do feel however that the call should have come before the anouncer made it "official"

I do however consider the shoot-off of Vegas 09 to be the greatest display of mental thoughness ever displayed by both Reo and Morgan

My 0,02$

Magnus

They were not ALL equal that day were they? Nobody was wrongfully announced anything. Did you watch the shootoff? I wasn't there but I did watch the video. That's how it goes down. Scores are "initially" called out. They are not "official" until both archers and ALL judges agree on the calls. Reo had EVERY RIGHT to challenge the call and have a second judge look at the arrow. You guys need to get over it and move on. You guys sound like fans of a losing team of the Super Bowl after a call didn't go your way

 

[proelitefan]

They were not ALL equal that day were they? Nobody was wrongfully announced anything. Did you watch the shootoff? I wasn't there but I did watch the video. That's how it goes down. Scores are "initially" called out. They are not "official" until both archers and ALL judges agree on the calls. Reo had EVERY RIGHT to challenge the call and have a second judge look at the arrow. You guys need to get over it and move on. You guys sound like fans of a losing team of the Super Bowl after a call didn't go your way

ok so it was a different scenario, but thats archery...my hat goes off to ALL the archers involved, many thanks to AT for posting this video, and congrats to reo for this win, and to martin, whom also deserves a round of aplause for a great job well done...all i can say is that it had my heart pounding with exitement.:thumbs_up

 

[JBowman]

CONGRATULATIONS to BOTH REO AND MORGAN

Congratulation to both Morgan and Reo for a great shoot-off. Rules were played by and a champion was named, that does not take anything away from the tremendous shoot-off! We may see changes in the announcing in the future, we learn as we go, but the first judge called it a 30 and it was announced as he called it! Reo was wise to challenge an arrow he saw was out and had 2 other judges agree. Enough said! Morgan keep up the great shooting you'll win it with that kind of tenacity, you are obviously a tremedous champion already!

 

[JeffS]

Watch the video

It was a great shoot off... and I was very glad to be able to see it in person. Great Shooting by ALL!!!

I don't get the people saying that Morgan was announced the winner and then it was taken away from him. He was never announced the winner. (watch the video).

The 1st judge's scores were read... and then the other judges were brought in immediately to do the follow up calls. There was never a mention of anyone being the winner during that 11th end.

Being able to challenge a call is well within the rules, so what did you want them to do? Not read off the 1st judge's call?

I think they proceeded and handled the announcing and the challenge exactly right.

Congrats to Reo... amazing shooting.

 

[JTW Jr]

Congrats Reo...

major thanks for the video as well as all the work to bring it to us.

Even though I was there to watch it live , it was still great to see it again.

cheers to the camera guy(s).
:darkbeer:

 

[Swede]

It was a great shoot off... and I was very glad to be able to see it in person. Great Shooting by ALL!!!

I don't get the people saying that Morgan was announced the winner and then it was taken away from him. He was never announced the winner. (watch the video).

The 1st judge's scores were read... and then the other judges were brought in immediately to do the follow up calls. There was never a mention of anyone being the winner during that 11th end.

Being able to challenge a call is well within the rules, so what did you want them to do? Not read off the 1st judge's call?

I think they proceeded and handled the announcing and the challenge exactly right.

Congrats to Reo... amazing shooting.

JeffS

The reason I refered to Morgan being "announced as the winner" is because, when the initial call was made by the first judge and the announcer made it public, triggered a response from the crowd. Now in a normal person example me, the announcement and the first call by the judge would trigger an associatiative response i e your brain takes the input and puts two and two togheter automatic. (if your oponent is scored 29 and you 30, that would imply "I win" in your brain right?")

I am not implying that Morgan was "robbed" of his victory or foul play of any kind. I am just stating some of the things that i thought of while watching the shoot-off.

However as I stated earlier, it doesn´t make Reos or Morgans achievements any less incredible.

Magnus

 

[The X Moves]

I'm on a Cable modem and it gets to Reo introducing himself and then quits.

Any chance that this video could be uploaded to you tube?

 

[Wizard of Oz]

I'm in Australia, I saw the shoot-off through a link on Archery Forum and found it 'compulsory viewing'. The introduction at the beginning was a boring pain in the ass, but after that 10 out of 10. We need to all see more of that stuff to make us all better archers, both mentally and form wise.

The form thing is very interesting, coaches say that you must do this and that, and change like the seasons. Probably, following their 'gods' like sheep and justifying there teaching parameters. Seems to me at Vegas we have straight bow arms, bent bow arms, high elbows, low elbows, long time at full draw, very little time at full draw. These guys are ALL top archers all shooting with different technique, but for me, one thing stood out.
They were all as steady as a rock at full draw and waited for the shot to happen.

Well done to all involved and congratulations to Reo, good to see he can miss too when it counts, but still win. :wink:

 

[archeryisme]

I'm in Australia, I saw the shoot-off through a link on Archery Forum and found it 'compulsory viewing'. The introduction at the beginning was a boring pain in the ass, but after that 10 out of 10. We need to all see more of that stuff to make us all better archers, both mentally and form wise.

The form thing is very interesting, coaches say that you must do this and that, and change like the seasons. Probably, following their 'gods' like sheep and justifying there teaching parameters. Seems to me at Vegas we have straight bow arms, bent bow arms, high elbows, low elbows, long time at full draw, very little time at full draw. These guys are ALL top archers all shooting with different technique, but for me, one thing stood out.
They were all as steady as a rock at full draw and waited for the shot to happen.
Well done to all involved and congratulations to Reo, good to see he can miss too when it counts, but still win. :wink:

Bingo!!!! Just goes to prove that what works for one may not work for another. One thing for sure. You can bet that they are CONSISTANT in their form. Yes I know there was only one winner. But in my book anybody that can shoot a 899-900 at Vegas ------------ain't too shabby either.

 

[Kurt D.]

I'm on a Cable modem and it gets to Reo introducing himself and then quits.

Any chance that this video could be uploaded to you tube?

I uploaded the shoot-off video onto ArcheryTalk TV (which is basically youtube).

http://www.archerytalktv.com/attv/