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I pay very little attention to reviews on here , nobody said it was a bad bow it’s just not much different then last years ! Every year it’s the same “ it’s the greatest bow ever but they can’t sell them ! Lol
 

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I pay very little attention to reviews on here , nobody said it was a bad bow it’s just not much different then last years ! Every year it’s the same “ it’s the greatest bow ever but they can’t sell them ! Lol
I hear what you're saying....very little difference in most of the bows so far.....mathews is in a rut, yeah they added a few niceties but the overall shooting experience hasn't changed....pse well in my opinion not much better.
 

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Shot the envision last night. A solid bow, smooth and linear draw. Definitely NOT as quiet as the Mathews offerings, but no on since a Relvolt has even come close there, not loud by any means. Shoots almost exactly like a Kure. Quality bow, clean look except for the cheap looking limb decals but not sure I would be trading a Kure for one. Also a bit overselling (they all do, but this one really stands out) on the pre-release marketing.
 

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Problem is nobody is going to make giant improvements, everything will be minor improvements refining on an industry of bows that has sort of peaked. The problem is when a bow is marketed in a way that leads the consumer to feel like he will be blown away leads to a let-down of sorts. I felt this way about the Invision, I was really expecting something more. I can tell you that the Prime Inline is the most improved for 2022 thus far, and pretty much as advertised.
 

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Shot the envision last night. A solid bow, smooth and linear draw. Definitely NOT as quiet as the Mathews offerings, but no on since a Relvolt has even come close there, not loud by any means. Shoots almost exactly like a Kure. Quality bow, clean look except for the cheap looking limb decals but not sure I would be trading a Kure for one. Also a bit overselling (they all do, but this one really stands out) on the pre-release marketing.
How would you compare it to the Enkore?
 

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I’ve really become interested in the Elite bow line in the last year or so. I purchased a few of the Ritual series bows in 33/35” options. Im very interested in this SET technology vs shimming. I would like to pose a question for anyone that may be able to answer. With the bow tuned for a RH shooter can anyone tell me how close the crossover cable is to the outer perimeter of the cam during the draw cycle?
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I’ve really become interested in the Elite bow line in the last year or so. I purchased a few of the Ritual series bows in 33/35” options. Im very interested in this SET technology vs shimming. I would like to pose a question for anyone that may be able to answer. With the bow tuned for a RH shooter can anyone tell me how close the crossover cable is to the outer perimeter of the cam during the draw cycle?
Thanks in advance
At brace maybe an eighth, at draw maybe a 16th. I had trouble when I first got mine, tried to mirror the cams first. Used set to do that but then I couldn’t get it to tune without cable hitting the cam. Elite basically said don’t mirror cams first. Tuned fine once I started over w/out mirroring cams first.
 

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Actually instead of people just throwing out an uninformed opinion, you can go to the website and see the speeds at every draw length. Takes less effort than typing up speculation. Not saying they are 100% accurate, but that's par for the course in the industry, and has been for 30+ years. At least Elite goes to the trouble of posting their tested speeds for all draw lengths.

 

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At brace maybe an eighth, at draw maybe a 16th. I had trouble when I first got mine, tried to mirror the cams first. Used set to do that but then I couldn’t get it to tune without cable hitting the cam. Elite basically said don’t mirror cams first. Tuned fine once I started over w/out mirroring cams first.
Would you say, in your opinion, that SET technology is worth the purchase of a new or used bow that has that option. In my experience nearly every bow on the market that I set up for my self (with like accessories) shoot nearly the same. It would be very difficult for anyone to persuade me different reflecting on my scores and notes. I do think there is one thing different as of the last few years. From the box to tune. That’s it in my opinion. 3 designs I see that speed or make tuning possible for some; Darton Equalizer Cam, Elite SET, and Bowtech Deadlock.
Once most bows are tuned it’s the same song and dance. Vibration doesn’t bother me. That’s a millennial thing. I always liked a bow that exerted it’s energy forward opposed to a “dead in hand” which is subject to L,R,Up,Down or any other directions forces are applied.
Anyway….. lol , seriously intrigued by SET technology.
 

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Would you say, in your opinion, that SET technology is worth the purchase of a new or used bow that has that option. In my experience nearly every bow on the market that I set up for my self (with like accessories) shoot nearly the same. It would be very difficult for anyone to persuade me different reflecting on my scores and notes. I do think there is one thing different as of the last few years. From the box to tune. That’s it in my opinion. 3 designs I see that speed or make tuning possible for some; Darton Equalizer Cam, Elite SET, and Bowtech Deadlock.
Once most bows are tuned it’s the same song and dance. Vibration doesn’t bother me. That’s a millennial thing. I always liked a bow that exerted it’s energy forward opposed to a “dead in hand” which is subject to L,R,Up,Down or any other directions forces are applied.
Anyway….. lol , seriously intrigued by SET technology.
Initial set up is extremely quick and you don’t have to go back to the press to make adjustments. In reality it depends on what heads you use and purpose for the bow, as to wether it’s worth it or not. I typically use fixed broadheads so tuning for that is much easier. If you’re a target shooter or mechanical head hunter it’s not as big a deal. I say all that yet I’m hunting with my Evoke and EVL 32 this year which don’t have these new systems like my Enkore.

Bottom line is I wouldn’t base a purchase on one of these tuning systems. There are other things more important to me than ease of tuning.
 
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Actually instead of people just throwing out an uninformed opinion, you can go to the website and see the speeds at every draw length. Takes less effort than typing up speculation. Not saying they are 100% accurate, but that's par for the course in the industry, and has been for 30+ years. At least Elite goes to the trouble of posting their tested speeds for all draw lengths.

You can subtract 8-10 fps off those "claimed" speeds to get "Real World" speeds.
 

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The Set system is certainly a nice feature on the recent Elite bows. That said do not be surprised if you still need to shim to get your bow to tune at a reasonable center shot (It was not uncommon on the Enkore). It is not hard to do and once done the Set is nice to make a fine adjustment.
 

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The Set system is certainly a nice feature on the recent Elite bows. That said do not be surprised if you still need to shim to get your bow to tune at a reasonable center shot (It was not uncommon on the Enkore). It is not hard to do and once done the Set is nice to make a fine adjustment.
I had to shim my Enkore as well, then fine tune with SET. Was a minor inconvenience at best.

Not sure where they have the shim stacks on the new bow, but if the same as the Enkore, move the cam one small shim to the right from the factory.

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You can subtract 8-10 fps off those "claimed" speeds to get "Real World" speeds.
Pretty sure I addressed that in my post. My point was the specifics of Elite's testing is very easy to find.
 

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I had to shim my Enkore as well. SET is great but doesn’t have quite the range of tuning that deadlock does.

I’m sure the new bow is nice but specs and actual performance with the Enkore are outstanding.
 
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I was able to shoot the Envision yesterday and I thought it was a really nice bow. I just wasn't blown away.

It's a very smooth shooting bow and I thought it was pretty quiet with very little vibe on the shot. The one I shot definitely did NOT feel like a tuning fork. Lol

The grip and balance are what stood out to me most, it's very well balanced and the grip is my favorite in the industry.

The 2 things that killed it for me were the string angle and the speed. The string angle feels like any other 31" ATA and the bow is closer to 322 fps than 332 fps from what I saw at 28" DL and 60#. I got 250fps with a 440gr arrow. The V3X got 260fps with same arrow and specs and my Enkore is at 267fps.

To be fair, this was a 70# bow backed down to 60#. My brother shot it at 70# and got similar results so it does seem to be around 10fps slower than advertised.

I'm not a speek freak but I like a bow that's close to advertised speed and I like my hunting bow to be at least 330 fps (adjusted, not actual speed) with my specs. This puts me around 260 fps actual speed.

If you like a 31" ATA bow and don't care about speed whatsoever it's a great choice.

I will be hanging on to my Enkore.
 
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