Xbow

The new bow will be out Nov.1 and the folks at botech say it will turn the xbow world up-side-down; can't wait to see new bow;

 

I seriously doubt it's going to turn any world upside down. The majority of there sales will be to people that have no idea what problems that speed and k.e. are going to be like. Figure one shot per arrow to start with. Come up w/ a new target that will stop those arrows and get in on the wealth, lol. Notice there's no info on what pound pull this beast is?? I'm betting the re-sale value on them will be pretty cheap in a short period of time, lol. Have fun!

 

I can see 405 fps crossbow making it more difficult for states to open up to them. One of the big arguments against crossbows is their perceived power advantage over compounds and the potential for extended ranges. Opponents already point to the Exomax and its 355 fps as an example of an overpowered weapon.

Can you immagine the firestorm that is going to follow? Predictions of 500 fps and 100 yard shots will soon follow.

 

Seems like it may be a cool novelty item. Heck, I would like to try it out. But could you imagine how loud it will be! I just can't see something like that as being quiet. But regardless, people will be in the woods with them. Great, now I have to worry about a stray bolt coming out of nowhere, from a guy 90 yards away.

 

Twogun: I've got an Emax, the one Bill T. shot clean thru an elephant with. I've tamed mine down by using heavier arrow and different string. I'm still a tad over 100 ft lbs on k.e. It sits on the rack alot while I shoot another bow, lol. Dang thing will flat wear you out. I can just imagine another 55 ft lbs of k.e. The arrows still drop a bunch after 20 no matter which bow you have, this new one won't be that much different, in that respect. I just can't see the possible benefits from the hype.

 

Speed sells.

We are WAY into overkill now with any crossbow going..

 

The Stryker web site has been updated recently...

Check it out, maybe play around a little to see what info you can find.

STRYKER

 

The Stryker web site has been updated recently...

Check it out, maybe play around a little to see what info you can find.

STRYKER

I don't see anything new there or anything other than the lift off time countdown clock.

 

Speed sells.

We are WAY into overkill now with any crossbow going..

We've faced the argument that crossbow technology is just beginning because of its limited market and that if they take hold the competition for the excpanding market will drive the technology way beyond the compound bow capabilities. Is this a sign that they were right?

I've often thought that the best situation for the bow manufacturers would be to have a seperate crossbow season. That might motivate hunters to buy two bows. The manufacturers could continue to capitalize on the compound market and jump into the crossbow market at the same time. If they can create crossbows that far surpass compounds, That will be far easier.

 

I heard the thing was going to be around 1700 bucks. I dont shot crossbows but man that seems a little high for me.

 

We've faced the argument that crossbow technology is just beginning because of its limited market and that if they take hold the competition for the excpanding market will drive the technology way beyond the compound bow capabilities. Is this a sign that they were right?

I've often thought that the best situation for the bow manufacturers would be to have a separate crossbow season. That might motivate hunters to buy two bows. The manufacturers could continue to capitalize on the compound market and jump into the crossbow market at the same time. If they can create crossbows that far surpass compounds, That will be far easier.

There was never an argument, only a fear from a few that something might change and that somehow hurts their hunt.

There wasn't a separate compound season and they are twice as fast, twice as easy as long bows. Muzzle loaders now have twice the range too. Everyone wants more - they're getting it. Even at 405fps it's still not any faster than that High Country bow claims to be. Others have a compound bow in the 350fps range out. The choice is there for those that want it. Choice is what it's all about - not restrictions. If xbows become the preferred weapon then so be it. It doesn't impact another's choice to use what they want to. With xbows no one looses a thing. Zero impact in every study or report out there.

Nice try on the anti angle on a new xbow. Same fps exists for compounds so this just shows your intent - again.

 

It was just a very few years ago that PSE had a bow called the gorilla bow and a shooting team called the gorilla squad. The leader of the squad was a man named Gary Buschell. The bow that Gary shot was shooting a 350 grain arrow at 425 fps. I believe he shot through a bison on one of their taped hunts. I think the gorilla bows only lasted for one year in PSE sales lineup.

I have an excalibur Vixen, the least powerful bow they make. It would take a good 70 pound compound with an IBO speed of 315 fps to equal that little Vixen. I think that most would say that a 70 pound compound would be adequate for any hunting in the "lower 48."

There was a compound at an archery show in Gainesville, Florida, some time back that had a cam and an ilde wheel on each limb, total of 4. They were shooting 450 through a chrono and it was very quiet. Who made this bow was a big secret then. I havn't heard anything about it since, but, I wouldn't be looking for any info. The manufacturer may be "trying to get the bugs out" before they release it. They may be looking for special market indicators, who knows.

I once had an 8 mm movie camera, then a super 8, then a super 8 sound, then a vhs, then a vhs C, then a CD. At our family camping trip this summer, my son-in-law had a camera that recorded movies on a chip. Who knows what technology is in the planning stages or what prototype is secretly being tested:secret:

 

There was never an argument, only a fear from a few that something might change and that somehow hurts their hunt.

There wasn't a separate compound season and they are twice as fast, twice as easy as long bows. Muzzle loaders now have twice the range too. Everyone wants more - they're getting it. Even at 405fps it's still not any faster than that High Country bow claims to be. Others have a compound bow in the 350fps range out. The choice is there for those that want it. Choice is what it's all about - not restrictions. If xbows become the preferred weapon then so be it. It doesn't impact another's choice to use what they want to. With xbows no one looses a thing. Zero impact in every study or report out there.

Nice try on the anti angle on a new xbow. Same fps exists for compounds so this just shows your intent - again.

:wacko: :brick: :smokin: :Cry: :violin: :hug: ..

 

:wacko: :brick: :smokin: :Cry: :violin: :hug: ..

Just more proof you come here for one thing.

 

BigBird,

Are you stoned, or just terribly confused?

 

Twogun: I've got an Emax, the one Bill T. shot clean thru an elephant with. I've tamed mine down by using heavier arrow and different string. I'm still a tad over 100 ft lbs on k.e. It sits on the rack alot while I shoot another bow, lol. Dang thing will flat wear you out. I can just imagine another 55 ft lbs of k.e. The arrows still drop a bunch after 20 no matter which bow you have, this new one won't be that much different, in that respect. I just can't see the possible benefits from the hype.

I can see how you've taken some speed off with a longer string, by taking the poundage down. I don't think changing the bolt weight changes the KE delivered though. The amount of drop at longer distances is significantly reduced with speed.
Its not hype.

Respectfully,

Pete

 

Speed sells.

We are WAY into overkill now with any crossbow going..

I think the same could be said for a number of compounds.
allegiance comes in with ~320 fps with 87 fpe.

 

I think the same could be said for a number of compounds.
allegiance comes in with ~320 fps with 87 fpe.

YEP...


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Notice there's no info on what pound pull this beast is??

But could you imagine how loud it will be! I just can't see something like that as being quiet.

I don't think changing the bolt weight changes the KE delivered though.

Kinetic Energy is directly proportional to arrow weight with increases in weight more than offsetting the decrease in speed. For any kind of bow device Output KE / Input Work increases with arrow mass.


The stryker would mark an improvement over the existing only if it were to achieve the claimed performance without an increase of peak draw force over the accepted maximum force that mantains the possibility of directly and manually cocking (at least for stronger users), or better still if it were to achieve it while staying under that value. Indeed it would appear that the stryker could feature such an improvement in efficiency in the form of flatter draw force over distance curve as suggested by the measures of the cams visible on available photos.

Draw force would probably be less than 200lbs.
If this were to be confirmed sound wouldn't be any higher than other crossbows of equal draw force.

Would this qualify as a revolution? Not from a technical point of view; in fact more daring solutions could be attempted. Yes commercially as its achievement are likely sell well and stimulate the competition.

 

my dad has a maxpoint buckmaster that with the older gold tip lazer bolts when it was set up would shoot a consistant 406 fps each and every shot. with todays heavier bolts and more uniform bolts he shoots carbon express and he shoots over 350 fps with them. if he went back to his old bolts he would be shooting over 400 fps again
i think and i may be old fashioned but shooting 405 fps you just miss a bit faster than with a bolt flying at 350 fps lol
rob k

 

BigBird,

Are you stoned, or just terribly confused?

Nope. Just know you and your motive. We've all seen it many times before.

 

Nope. Just know you and your motive. We've all seen it many times before.

It's official. You're stoned.

 

Nope. Just know you and your motive. We've all seen it many times before.

Me thinks you have two-gun confused with someone else..


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BigBird,

Are you stoned, or just terribly confused?

Ok. ok,.... not stoned more along the lines of the confused part. Geesh, sorry about that. I've been having an extremely stressed week with major employee problems and other stuff heaped on there just because it could.

Think I need to go have a drink or two an unwind. Always happens right before hunting season hits. Some BS to take up your time that doesn't need to be.

 

Stryker x-bow

Hey folks,
Just joined today. If they achieve their claims, the new Stryker would be a vast improvement over my Exomax. Has anyone heard what it will cost?