[Mexican 3D]

hey, we are having a 900 round in October, we will shoot 60, 50, and 40 meters, 30 arrows per distance, and use the 122 cm face.

what would be a good score in this event?? or your average?

thanx!!

 

[Mexican 3D]

btw im shooting compound...

 

[XCalibre]

i would guess that that would depend on your ability. if you can get 1340+ in a FITA, you could easily get 875+ in a 900 round.

however, the problem that some people i know seem to have is that when you're shooting a 122cm face really close up, there's too much gold in your scope/aperture/pin and you can't focus on the X as well. i don't seem to have that problem, tho... Who knows. but i'm a recurver...

:RockOn:

 

[Jim C]

the best recurve archer in my club shot 875 or so

The best compound target archer in my state (Matt Cleland) shot a 896 at the Ohio State Outdoor in 1998-the year he was national champion.

 

[Mexican 3D]

i would guess that that would depend on your ability. if you can get 1340+ in a FITA, you could easily get 875+ in a 900 round.

however, the problem that some people i know seem to have is that when you're shooting a 122cm face really close up, there's too much gold in your scope/aperture/pin and you can't focus on the X as well. i don't seem to have that problem, tho... Who knows. but i'm a recurver...

:RockOn:

well if i could shoot 1340 in a FITA i would probably be one of the top shooters in Mexico, which obviously im not ... yet :wink:

lol just kidding, i was averaging 56/60 today at 60 meters, but i just shoot about 6 ends at 60, and 3 other practice ends at 50. i think i can keep most of them in a 12 cm ring at 40, but thats if im aiming at a 1 inch circle, aim small miss small. i do have the big gold problem issue.

so, in competition, there are 3 things that i know will break me: shooting 90 arrows in a row, competition pressure, and the big gold at 40.

i just wanted to know what would be a good score, not a World level score, mostly to know how do i compare to other people.

BTW i didnt post this in the general section, or the bowhunter section, because i know there are some people in there who shoot 2" groups at 60 meters with fixed broadheads all day long, and i have to use field points in this tournament so i think lower level archers come here to the fita section

thanx!!

 

[Mexican 3D]

the best recurve archer in my club shot 875 or so

The best compound target archer in my state (Matt Cleland) shot a 896 at the Ohio State Outdoor in 1998-the year he was national champion.

thas some great shooting. but, whats the best compound shooter on your club??

i just remember, last year we had a 900 round, but using 80 cm faces, and the winner shot 810 or so. i think i shot 750 or so, but i have been shooting mostly 40 and less, and occasionally 50, and i was using indoor arrows. long story short, i was told it was going to be a vegas shoot, and when i arrive to the field, they tell me they decided to make it a 900 round instead.

thanx!!

 

[Vittorio]

Italian FITA 900 Round records are:

RM - 881
CM - 888

Offical tables of correspondance to determine Shooting Categories (levels) are:

RM 1st level
FITA 1250
900R 830
Indoor 570

RM 2nd level
FITA 1150
900R 790
Indoor 550

RM 3d level
FITA 1000
900R 700
Indoor 500

CM 1st level
FITA 1340
900R 870
Indoor 570

CM 2nd level
FITA 1290
900R 845
Indoor 560

CM 3d level
FITA 1250
900R 830
Indoor 550

 

[Mei Li]

Scores

Are these scores for men? What about for women? What are the scores needed to make it to the Italian National Team?

Thanks.

Italian FITA 900 Round records are:

RM - 881
CM - 888

Offical tables of correspondance to determine Shooting Categories (levels) are:

RM 1st level
FITA 1250
900R 830
Indoor 570

RM 2nd level
FITA 1150
900R 790
Indoor 550

RM 3d level
FITA 1000
900R 700
Indoor 500

CM 1st level
FITA 1340
900R 870
Indoor 570

CM 2nd level
FITA 1290
900R 845
Indoor 560

CM 3d level
FITA 1250
900R 830
Indoor 550

 

[Jim C]

thas some great shooting. but, whats the best compound shooter on your club??

i just remember, last year we had a 900 round, but using 80 cm faces, and the winner shot 810 or so. i think i shot 750 or so, but i have been shooting mostly 40 and less, and occasionally 50, and i was using indoor arrows. long story short, i was told it was going to be a vegas shoot, and when i arrive to the field, they tell me they decided to make it a 900 round instead.

thanx!!

nobody shoots compound much in our club. in 2000 and then again in 2004 I had boys who were national class compound shooters (1330+ compound scores on a fita) who were banging out 865-870 IIRC. Even out of Practice our best recurve shooter was shooting mid 800's a few years ago.

 

[Huntmaster]

We shoot yards here, so it's a little different, but the adult male freestyle shooters are putting in the mid 860's. The money shooters are in the mid 880's, with the state record being 894.

 

[Vittorio]

Are these scores for men? What about for women? What are the scores needed to make it to the Italian National Team?

Thanks.

List was for men, only. Full list can be found at page 4 of the following document:
http://www.fitarco-italia.org/cartefederali/Sportivo.pdf


We have diffeent levels of national teams, in Italy.

Level one is the Olympic team, presently made by 3 men and 3 women. You need very good and stable results and approval from NOC to get to it.
Level two is the National team. You can get to it being in the top 8 ranked archers based on gran total of 3 x Fita Round or 2 x Fita Round plus 2 x 70mt Round.
Level three is the Under 21 National team, reserved to those formerly in the Junior team, still having less than 21 years but not yet in the top 8 ranking.
Then you have the Junior and the Cadet National teams, were you qualify by 2 FITA scores with a minimum fixed level to be reached.

Then, you also have:
Level Two, Three, Under 21 and Junior for Compound
The National Bare Bow team (based ranking on field archery competitions only)
The Sky Archery national team (nominated)
The 3DI national team (usually is qualified for the specific events, only)

All teams may include additional archers by decision of the Technical Commission.
All initial rankings are based on results from October to September, but anyone can qualify at any moment by shooting during the period one point more (on grand total) of the last one accepted in the team.
Rankings, apart from Under 21, are NOT related to the age of the archers but to the scores, only. So, a Junior can qualify for both the Junior and the Senior or Olympic team at the same time.

I hope to have clarified, even if a lot out of topic....

 

[XCalibre]

Italian FITA 900 Round records are:

RM - 881
CM - 888

Offical tables of correspondance to determine Shooting Categories (levels) are:

RM 1st level
FITA 1250
900R 830
Indoor 570

RM 2nd level
FITA 1150
900R 790
Indoor 550

RM 3d level
FITA 1000
900R 700
Indoor 500

CM 1st level
FITA 1340
900R 870
Indoor 570

CM 2nd level
FITA 1290
900R 845
Indoor 560

CM 3d level
FITA 1250
900R 830
Indoor 550

that list is accurate. i can vouch for that based on what i'm averaging (RM level 3). i'm halfway between level 3 and level 2, actually, but it's still bang on! is anyone else bang on with this? sorry if this is deviating from the initial post...

:RockOn:

 

[Mexican 3D]

well, today we had our 900 round.

a friend of mine took first place, with 853 i believe. its a bit low, but, he was the first place and also the top score. we also had an Olimpic archer (Andres Anchondo). im not sure what he shot, but it was less than 853, because my friendalso took the best score trophy.

i dotn know what i shot because i handed in my scorecard without adding everything up we had little time so we needed to hand them in and they were going to add the totals. i will ask them for the numbers later.

anyways, i had a good 60 meter round, better 50 meter, and an awful 40 meter round. even with the same face, i shot way better at 50 than at 40. at 50 i only dropped about 3 eights, but at forty i had 7 of them if only i could shoot the same in tournament as i do in practice.... but then again, if everybody could do that, i think the general ranking would still be about the same.

good luck!!

 

[hkim823]

It sounds crazy, but in those 600/900 rounds, it's somewhat common to have the worst score at the shortest distance. I believe it's a combination of fatigue as well as having such a huge target to aim at that one might get lazy subconsciously and not perform the shot as crisp as one would at a longer distance. I know that I can shoot awesome at 70m, but once 30 comes around I'm tired and I'll shoot a 10 10 and then a 6 because of a mental blunder.

 

[Vittorio]

No, usually scores at 40 mt are better (of course) than those at 50 mt...
900 Round is a linear compettion.. it means that score at 40 differs from score at 50 as score at 50 differs from score at 60. Considering this, it is very easy to check were an archere has shot under/over his average.i

Have a look to the results of my club 900 Round on May 1, to have an idea about this clear relationship. It is verified in many scores, while in others one distance is clearly out of the average (Michele's 60 mt included)

Senior/Junior/Veterani (Master)/Allievi (Cadet) 60/50/40 mt
Ragazzi (13 -14 years) 45/40/35 mt
Giovanissimi (9-12) 25/20/15


http://www.arcierimonica.it/gare2006/900r06c.htm

 

[hkim823]

Of course your scores at 40 should be better than 50 and 60, it should be linear. That's what's logical. I absolutely 100 percent agree. Your group size should shrink as you get closer. I agree that the relationship should be linear logically.

I'm just saying that I've observed a phenomena more often than not that one's closer score either isn't following the same linear pattern, or even lower than a "harder" distance. I know that myself with 600/900 rounds, the closest target should be the easiest to score well on, I've seen it with people who shoot a 60 cm target and a 40 cm target both at the same 18m distance, they don't score significantly higher and their groups open up more. I attribute it myself to the fact that I'm used to seeing a certain sight picture to aim at (18m 40cm) and when I see a different size target, I don't shoot the same shot because of too much focusing on aiming or hitting a spot, instead of focusing on completing the shot and shooting with correct form and consistency. I think it's something that some beginner / intermediate archers suffer from.

 

[Mexican 3D]

i agree, at 40, theres too much gold to aim at. i prefer the sight picture i get at 50 and 60, than the one at forty, using the same target. of course i, and i assume everyone else, can keep a better group at 40 than at 60, but the sight picture changes. also, we shot 60 first, so by the time we are at 40 meters we have already shot 70/80 arrows, and walk about 1.1 km :tongue:

 

[cc46]

Hi Vittorio, hkim823,

There is a progression of 13 points per distance for the average scores of 15 mens recurve shooters between 760 and 800 from your sample. I'm in this range too and I've noticed this myself and have often thought there was 12 points difference between the distances. I've also heard some compound shooters in the 850+ range talk of <10 points a distance difference. To hkim823's point though the last distance of the day can sometimes throw you off and you drop a few points, due to fatigue, mental or otherwise. I think also that because the long distance is shot in the morning the wind can be lighter than in the afternoon when the short distance is shot, but it didn't show up in the sample below, at least not at the aggregate. What do you think?

Cheers!

Average of sample below
[email protected] 60, [email protected] 50, [email protected]

sample of 15 scores (mens recurve) between 760 and 800
247 268 282 797
249 265 282 796
244 267 284 795
263 255 274 792
244 267 277 788
250 259 278 787
248 261 275 784
261 249 273 783
253 258 265 776
247 257 270 774
244 262 268 774
239 260 273 772
245 255 265 765
244 255 262 761
229 268 263 760

 

[Vittorio]

As said, the difference between 60 and 50 and 50 and 40 is usually verified.
Your average is just ... an average, but again it verifies the mentioned relationship. There is no drop usually for the 40 mt, even if it is shot on the afternoon after (not so big) lunch...:wink:

 

[Dado]

Hey Mexican3D, how about you change your clarifier to bigger size once you come at 40meters? If I were you I'd switch my 3/64'' clarifier to 1/16''.