i was at my local shop today and the owner was setting up his new bow and putting new strings on his 08 drenalin, that he decided to sell as he needed room in the closet, so he says, So i thaught what the heck ill try it out! so he tossed a whisker on it and said have at it! no sights etc. just the rest and a loop, first 4 arrows group size of my fist.by the 3rd set they were the size of a silver dollar. i think that would be pretty good for that set up at 15-17 yards? and range arrows?